Paul Flo WilliamsApr 6
I wandered the streets of Kemptown with #StreetComplete for a bit this morning. As my eyes scanned the rooflines I wondered, not for the first time, why we don’t have a recommendation of clearly marking buildings that were built as pubs as, well, *pubs*. The #OpenStreetMap wiki says they are building=retail but pub architecture is often bolder and retains lost names in stonework for generations. The Somerset Arms, here, was certainly present by 1848. I haven’t found when it closed. #Brighton
Show threadDanApr 6
@hisdeedsaredust I'm not claiming to be an expert, but is "disued=pub" accurate?
Show threadPaul Flo WilliamsApr 6
@between_beyond And you are right for cases where a pub is currently closed, perhaps with the possibility of being a pub in the future, where you would have ‘disused:amenity=pub’
Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

@hisdeedsaredust @between_beyond

I wonder if there's any crossover between OSM editors and CAMRA members? It would be a perfect task for them to standardise tagging for this, as it would be good to be able to use OSM to discover interesting/eclectic pubs, whilst also not accidentally visiting a disused one that is now a residential house or something else..

Apr 6 at 5:26pmWeb
Show threadSK53Apr 6
@vfrmedia @hisdeedsaredust @between_beyond The cross-over is huge, hence the real_ale=* tag. If you check the symbology of @SomeoneElse's map style you'll even find suitable icons.
Show threadSomeoneElseApr 6
@SK53 @vfrmedia @hisdeedsaredust @between_beyond The edit history of out of the way "interesting" pubs is a bit of a giveaway as well...
Show threadSK53Apr 6
@SomeoneElse @vfrmedia @hisdeedsaredust @between_beyond The Quiet Woman, Early Sterndale was one such.
Show threadSomeoneElseApr 6
@SK53 @vfrmedia @hisdeedsaredust @between_beyond The full list of what gets shown as a former pub starts at https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/aaebc5d09e1c0f190dd8a4f83ac5e654369a2631/shared_lua.lua#L4381 and it's quite a long list. Arguably only a couple of types are needed - currently closed, awaiting new landlord / more favorable economics or whatever, and built as a pub but permanently converted to something else. I've personally used "former_amenity=pub" (in addition to building=pub if appropriate) for the latter.
Show threadPaul Flo WilliamsApr 6
@vfrmedia I’m actually on the flip side of this concern as I would visit a disused one, or at least I go along a street and see a building that in some cases looks almost civic in stature with ornamental brickwork, but it’s actually flats and I want a clue about its life. Examples like the Scots Grey and Bear and Staff from @SK53 's blog are definitely the type I’m thinking of.
Show thread🍻 Alexander 🇪🇺Apr 20

@vfrmedia @hisdeedsaredust @between_beyond

I'm a CAMRA member and occasional OSM editor. I've tried to interest the relevant people into working with OSM, but CAMRA is protective of the information gathered by it's volunteers.

It's also hard to explain OSM to volunteers who have only recently been persuaded in the benefits of collecting the data we do.

As a side note, WhatPub has now been retired in favour of the camera.org.uk, where all the pub information is now found.

#camra