Aral Balkan21h ago

RE: https://tldr.nettime.org/@remixtures/116356810759725972

Does Israel have a right to exist?

Yes, about as much as Nazi Germany or any other state guilty of settler colonialism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Which is to say none whatsoever.

What we have, as human beings, is the right to hold Israel responsible for its crimes, bring it to justice, and extract reparations to ease the plight of the survivors (even though even that won’t undo the incalculable suffering and loss). But we’re not doing that. And by not doing that we are failing our own test of humanity.

Show threadJoanne Jacobs21h ago

@aral the people have a right to exist. The government dies not have that right because they have broken international laws on genocide.

I know you will say the people voted for the government, but the people have not supported the war on Gaza or indeed the war against Iran and other parts of the Gulf.

Show threadAral Balkan21h ago

@joannejacobs When 82% of your population supports the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza and when those people are actively involved in commiting genocide, it becomes very difficult to separate the people from the state.

https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis

And it’s not getting better.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-892032

We didn’t say Nazi Germany shouldn’t exist but Nazis are fine. Nazis are not fine. Nazis will never be fine.

(In case there’s any doubt, Zionists are the Nazis in this analogy.)

It's Not Just Netanyahu. A Lot of Israelis Want Genocide, Too

Recent polling reveals that the ‘genocide fever’ in Israeli society has reached its logical conclusion: ‘If we can get rid of them all, why not?’

Zeteo
Show threadJoanne Jacobs21h ago
@aral look you know I agree that the egregious acts of the state are war crimes. I'm just not willing to accept that the agenda of some represents all.
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@joannejacobs @aral the right to exist doesn't hinge on any of this though.

The right to self-determination exists, but no country has a right to exist. I can rattle off at least a dozen countries that no longer exist, with not a question of that supposed right.

The only country that is afforded a "right to exist", not by law or treaty, is Israel

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