Randahl Fink1d ago

Many are asking me to put my videos on PeerTube, but every time I look at it, I see an overly technical user experience that I do not trust to take off.

What we need is for Mastodon to become a video platform, so THIS social medium which has now matured and people clearly love, gets robust video features.

You do not beat YouTube by making users jump through hoops to watch a video. You beat YouTube by making user sponsored creator videos turn up right in the Mastodon feed.

@anderspuck

Show threadBen Fulton
@randahl @anderspuck @Gargron I don't watch videos so I don't care that much, but it is just as easy to subscribe to a Peertube account on Mastodon as it is any other account.
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Show threadRandahl Fink1d ago

@benfulton respectfully, I disagree. I am already following @anderspuck, but if I want to watch one of his videos and place a comment underneath it and support him with $5, I currently need three different platforms.

This is not seamless, and all this friction cannot compete with YouTube.

Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦1d ago
Maybe you should learn more about what you're talking about, Randahl. I was perfectly able to watch this video and leave a comment underneath it. As for monetary support, I don't see Mastodon provide such means any better than PeerTube does.
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Show threadRandahl Fink1d ago

@osma I was shown this UI, and I promise you, that is not just an authentication dialog, that is a wall which sends 9 out of 10 users elsewhere.

Countless times I hear tech-savvy people say they do not understand why the average user can’t just google her way to content on a platform she does not know, and create an account, and find her way through an interface she does not understand.

She can’t. And that is the point.

Friction is a killer.

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Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦1d ago
As you were replying to me, did you go to https://mas.to/@osma and try to write your reply there? Before you reply to this, stop for a moment to *think* what federation actually means.
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Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦1d ago

And now that you've had an opportunity to think about this:

What you actually want is for fedi clients to understand video and display it inline, so that you're not sent out of the client to look at an unfamiliar interface. Such as, how @phanpy does it.

Figuring out how to comment on a YouTube video if you don't already have a YouTube/Google account isn't much easier - except that Google is pushing much harder to create a 1st party account.
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Show threadAslak Raanes1d ago

RE: https://mastodon.social/@aslakr/116356110630957976

@osma @randahl It might be a bit confusing that the Mastodon web client shows the #Peertube video inline, while some other clients like @ivory don't.

For making Peertube videos known it would help if Peertube supported Mastodon style quoting

Show threadAslak Raanes1d ago

@osma @randahl I haven't seen discussion of supporting quote-posts (FEP-044f) on @peertube except from https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/7253

#FEP044f

Allow Quote-Posting of PeerTube videos · Issue #7253 · Chocobozzz/PeerTube

Describe the problem to be solved Mastodon's recent blog post talks about their recent work on a technical specification for the Fediverse that allows for consent-respecting quote posts. A lot of e...

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Show threadMichal Janda1d ago
@osma @randahl @benfulton @anderspuck How can I comment if I do not have account on that peertube instance? The only way I know is comment in post on mastodon and it will then appear on that peertube page, but if I want to comment dorectly on that page it asking me to login/create account.
Show threadOsma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦1d ago
You simply comment on the federated post just like you commented here. You're currently suffering from a YouTube confusion despite already knowing the right answer.
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Show threadStian1d ago
Not sure this is where the friction is, but his peertube account is @[email protected]. and then he can boost posts from there into his main feed, but it seems he also shares his videos posted on other platforms.
Personally Peertube is the only video platform in which I subscripe to creators, precisely because I don't need other accounts and feeds than my mastodon one.
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Show threadRandahl Fink1d ago

@sab the fact that you had to look up a different @anderspuck account is friction in itself.

@[email protected] @benfulton @anderspuck

Show threadStian1d ago
You don't have to if he boosts the videos in his main account.
For me it's also an advantage, as it makes it easy to follow the video content separately from microblog posts. Just because I want to subscribe to someone's videos it doesn't mean I want to see everything they post online.
Another advantage is that it plays better with other non-mastodon sites. Here's the war talk channel as seen on (the Reddit-like site) Piefed, for example:
https://piefed.social/c/[email protected]
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Show threadAlfred J. Kwak (audiokontor) ☕22h ago
@randahl but this applies to you too, right? commenting on your toot, watching your video on youtube and supporting your work on patreon/kofi/etc . three platforms. so i would support what was stated earlier: fedivierse it is. mastodon (or alternatives), peertube for videos and building a supportive community via patreon, kofi or alikes. i'm ready to suppport you and @anderspuck
with €5 monthly. as you're not the only ones i spend a 5er on this of course isn't feasible for everyone. i know.
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