Is #mastodon becoming an echo chamber? This post from @carnage4life has me questioning our community. The Mastodon team is finally getting some traction, the product improvements are increasing, The #UX is improving, yet people posting on multiple platforms are making comments like this. It's confusing.
I *know* people here don't want this to be a classic social media-clone but we'd *like* journalists to be here right? They aren't coming with examples like this!
@scottjenson so, I find this discussion disappointing for a few reasons.
The biggest one is this: all three platforms that @carnage4life calls out are connected via ActivityPub. They are on one inter-network.
In theory, he should not need three different accounts, with three different follower groups. He should have one account, and all 103k followers (minus duplicates!) could be part of the same conversation, on whatever server platform they use.
In practice, few people do this today.
As technologists we need to do more to smooth those junctures and make them less of a barrier. I hope in a few years when @carnage4life looks at his network, it feels more integrated and less separated.
@scottjenson @carnage4life I've tried to mitigate that a bit by sharing my own experience with AI as a development tool. I know there are other people on the Fediverse who talk about how and when they use AI, with or without misgivings.
I use Claude and Thaura for search in my daily life. I use Claude as a rubber duck for coding. I also let it review my code for errors or make recommendations. On occasion, I'll let CoPilot or Claude add a few lines of code directly. I don't "vibe code". I enjoy both uses. I don't feel guilty about either.
@scottjenson @carnage4life I've been privately sharing this link to a post by @MozillaAI , an Open Source non-profit announcing an Open Source AI project to make development with AI safer, more efficient, and less costly. They got brigaded in a pretty threatening way, and people I know and respect jumped in to join the dogpile.
@evan @scottjenson @MozillaAI Mastodon as a community is quite hostile to AI and anything that isn’t a criticism of AI is viewed with skepticism at best and typically with hostility as the default.
It’s unfortunate because, as in your Mozilla example, there is still time to shape how AI is used in our industry. It’s better to engage and try to influence it versus stick your head in the sand and have the change thrusted upon you.
@evan @carnage4life @scottjenson @MozillaAI
It is unfortunately very easy to convince yourself that abuse and harrassment are OK as long as they're in service of a morally just cause.
@shauna @evan @carnage4life @scottjenson @MozillaAI It's also very easy to convince yourself that strongly opposing harmful things is the same as abuse and harassment if you are defending a morally unjust system.
Tech bros promoting harmful technology are not victims just because they are being challenged.
@scottjenson @shauna @evan I think you misread me. Your take was wildly incorrect and your lack of learning from it has been interesting. AI is incredibly harmful objectively, with virtually no benefits in the way it is being marketed. Mozilla is using their enormous financial position to promote this harm, and people are complaining that the community is attempting to hold them to account.
It's not harassment, it's legitimate feedback, even if at times angry.
My point was NEVER to support or endorse AI. I was using it as an example of how 'different topics' are met with hostility here.
People feel VERY strongly about AI. There are clearly horrible things being done. That discussion should happen and I'm not opposed to it.
I just wanted us to be be a *little* more tolerant of *some* ideas but this has clearly spiraled into something far too big for there to be a meaningful conversation at this point.
@scottjenson @shauna @evan The problem AI promoters are having here is that the old tactic of not addressing the legitimate problems and simply repeating that something is inevitable while recruiting 'trusted authorities' like Evan here is not working on the one social media network that is not driven by manipulative algorithms.
Rather than recognize that the concerns are legitimate, they are categorizing them as harassment in an attempt to bypass the brick wall they hit.
@scottjenson I think nobody has to love any tech, and expecting that is expecting to jump over an impossible bar. That being said, nobody should be disrespectful towards another, and that's just basic decency.
@carnage4life @evan @scottjenson @MozillaAI I’d probably be less hostile toward a harmful technology if it weren’t costing me and my friends so much of what we built, just so those who have disproportionately benefitted from our labor could take more short-term profits.
Nobody should be expected to apologize for standing up for themselves, their friends and colleagues, and what they’ve built together that is being poisoned.
@carnage4life @evan @scottjenson @MozillaAI
.... as a community, ....
Can we pause for a second. Why do we automatically lump people with different thoughts, perspectives into one group?
When you talk to AI-one-shotted person, check if they are also more suseptible to this shortcutting simplification human bias. It may be one of the factors.
There are tons of different not-pleasant-to-AI-fanatics perspectives in this federated space. "Community" brush stroke erases nuances. Please, don't.
@carnage4life Hi! I hope you don't feel discouraged by assholes.
Loving, hating AI and everything in between is ok. Even caring and not caring about AI.
About engaging with AI. Being AI something great, or whatever, keep in mind that AI is being shoved into people's throats, both on their loved tech, and on every f*in public conversation regardless of what they think or feel about it. So harsh reactions are to be expected, and some will also be unacceptable.
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