The "2024 election was stolen" conspiracy theories are just a rehash of the "2020 election was stolen" conspiracy theories and this is both sad and frustrating.

People choose to believe these narratives because they validate feelings and beliefs about how unfair the outcome of the election is; because they are profoundly ignorant of how the elections are conducted, secured, and validated; because it's easier than looking at America for what it really is.

If you see these kind of posts and can't help but notice the presentation style has a certain "FOX News" aesthetic, yeah, that's kind of deliberate.

The biggest problem with the kinds of Democrats that fall for this nonsense is this unfounded belief that we're somehow The Good Guys.

Exhibit A:

https://www.inc.com/don-reisinger/jeff-bezos-says-big-tech-companies-should-ignore-employee-outcry-partner-with-us-government.html

This might be a subtle point but they're not arguing "We're the guys who only perform good actions, or actions in service of goodness", they're saying "goodness is inherent to your [national] identity", which lets them turn a blind eye to bad actions that conflict with their self-image.

MAGA shatters their illusion.

There are no "good guys". There are only good and bad choices, if you're lucky.

The belief of Goodness as an identity is best avoided.

Jeff Bezos Says Big Tech Companies Should Ignore Employee Outcry and Partner With the U.S. Government

The U.S., he says, is 'the good guys.'

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If you want to use some character (Superman, Jesus, the sexy werewolves from that Van Hellsing movie, whatever) as an abstract ideal to strive for, okay, sure.

But the first step towards committing atrocity is failing to recognize one's own capacity for harm.

@soatok those werewolves were pretty nice abstract ideals.
@soatok I too strive to be a sexy werewolf. Better than being a politician.
@soatok By way of a sad irony, there's kind of an inherent historic linkage between the Manichean dualism and the rise of Zoroastrianism in Old Persia.

@soatok I think what a lot of Americans don’t realise (or don’t want to admit) is that trump is possibly the most ‘American’ president there’s been so far.

Like, this is what the American empire is about. Invading other countries and killing their people, as well as the absolute prioritisation of the wealth of the capitalist class over the needs and rights of the people. He is much more abrasive about doing it, but the presidents before him were doing the same things, just quieter.

I think this can be best seen in /why/ trump is so deeply unpopular. The issues that are dominating popular discussion for Americans are… cost of living and ICE. A lot of Americans are unhappy with government because the misfortune is pointed inwards at them too now. Hell, even the main concern people have with the Iranian war is an economic one, not the ‘killing people’ part.

@Mudlark @soatok when you get down to it the whole idea of saying this is American or that is American is one of national identity politics and not one of reality. I think it's important to keep saying, as an American, that this is not what our country is about, because when we stop saying that is when the worst people win and get to make America in their image and the real atrocities begin in earnest.

@Mudlark @soatok

trump is possibly the most ‘American’ president there’s been so farbeen saying this exact thing ​:vape:​
"this isn't america"
buddy i have some bad news for you

@Mudlark @soatok

It is the same reason why folks hated andrew Jackson. Because he was not quiet about what he was doing. While all other presidents before and after have a similar policy towards the indigenous people.

@soatok It's not that surprising they love to view themselves as the "Goodguys". If forced to have to view it as a collection of choices instead of a default "Good" they are then forced to have to acknowledge all the racist, classist, etc shit they have backed and continue to back. It forces them to confront stuff they've backed instead of just blaming the "Badguys" of everything.

As such I would not say MAGA shatters their belief of being the "Goodguy", but re-enforces it. They say the "Badguys" are extra bad now. Sure, they are right that the Republicans are worse than they were, but it does nothing to change what they've done or are doing. Just makes it easier to asside by saying the "Badguys" are now extra bad. Especially since the stepping stones to everything that is going wrong now they had a hand in laying and this belief makes it easy to brush that asside as well.

@vvelox It doesn't shatter it for everyone, but the ones for whom MAGA does shatter, they resort to conspiracies.