Mastodawn

@metin I find it weird that https://european-alternatives.eu doesn't have a category for creative software.

I'd suggest it to them, but then you need to create an account first 😿

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@sybren @metin I have an account, I can suggest it to them. But TBH I think it might be better to be more specific. What is meant by creative software?

Metin Seven 🎨1d ago

@ejner1 @sybren Thanks! I guess creative software would refer to any tool you can use for creation, such as graphics and music.

@metin @ejner1 yup, that's what I mean :)

@sybren @metin I made a suggestion for a new category, "Film and Music Creation Software". There are 40+ suggested categories pending, so I think it will need some upvotes to make it to the actual pages.

@ejner1 @metin Is it necessary to get so specific? I mean, Blender is also used for 3D printing, medical visualisation, and pizza designing, just to name a few examples. It's definitely not limited to filmmaking.

@sybren @metin when suggesting a new category, the site guidelines say to be specific. E.g. "productivity software" is too vague.
Creativity software is also, IMHO too vague.

@ejner1 @metin Ok, fair enough.

@sybren @metin the site guidelines also require to mention examples both European and usian competitors. I wrote Blender, Krita, and as a competitor, Adobe (various products).
Maybe "graphics" should be added to the category title.
I did check the existing 43 category suggestions - there was nothing similar (surprisingly).

@ejner1 @metin 'Graphics' could be a good category for sure.

As for non-EU software in the same category, Procreate is from Australia. GIMP originates from the US, but as it's Open Source and developed by a wide range of developers, I don't know if it's fair to put it in the list as "from the USA".

CmykStudent 1d ago

@sybren @ejner1 @metin The current maintainer of GIMP @zemarmot is based in Europe. I think the original American creators were around for only a few years before the community took over the project.

ZeMarmot

@CmykStudent @sybren @ejner1 @metin Not only are we in Europe (France), our co-maintainer @mitchfoo is as well (Germany). We've been contributing since 2012. Mitch since 1997.
His own previous co-maintainer was also German AFAWK. I think that GIMP has been mainly developed in and led from Europe for a few decades now. Just the 3 of us, we account for over 50% of the number of commits in GIMP.

The main developer of GEGL/babl @pippin? Norway.

Anyone saying that GIMP is from the US is mistaken. 🤣

@CmykStudent @sybren @ejner1 @metin @mitchfoo @pippin

ZeMarmot

14h ago

As for the original authors, they stayed for 2 years then disappeared without a word AFAWK. From 1997 and onward, the software has been entirely community-led (and mostly in Europe, as we just showed).

Thanks for liberating their code through a license initially, but apart from this, thinking that just because these 2 people are originated from the US, it would make the whole software US-based is just funny. 😛