Felicitas Pojtinger 🌅So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function
Absolutely pathetic
If a German citizen gets sanctioned by the US government, once this is implemented (later this year), that means they will no longer be able to be a participating member of German society, e.g. to show their (digital) driver's license to traffic police
Eamon CostelloI've said it before an I'll say it again: This entire project of identity verification with Apple/Google-account bound mobile devices is going to lead the continent down a dark, dark path into full technological submission to the US
https://mastodon.social/@pojntfx/116345725515845020
A bit of an explanation
Sjoerd Stendahl@pojntfx Honestly I will remain off the opinion the digital wallets are by itself a good idea, and could potentially be more privacy-friendly than traditional methods (thanks to granular sharing of information) and lessen dependence on big tech (the alternative is namely that the private market will do this).
Having said that, that’s only if implemented right. A dependency on Google Play services is worrying, and shows we still haven’t learned anything from the past years.
@sstendahl Yeah, if they used ZKs I can see a way to make it great. But nobody - not one single country, anywhere on earth - is doing that.
And it's not just Play Services here. Those we can emulate with e.g. the EU-funded microG. It's specifically SafetyNet/remote attestation. That one can't be swapped out in any way we currently know. It's a hard dependency on Google.
David Heijkamp@pojntfx @sstendahl not sure if this is what you meant, but in the Netherlands the municipality of Nijmegen introduced initial support for Yivi, also available on F-Droid. That seems close, or am I missing something? See: https://docs.yivi.app/
Yivi documentation | Yivi docs
Yivi is a privacy-first identity wallet solution designed to empower individuals with secure and seamless access to digital services. With Yivi, you are in full control of your personal information, sharing only what is necessary while safeguarding your privacy at every step.
@david @pojntfx I was mostly thinking of NLWallet, which is actually government backed/owned. As far as I know it’s ZKP, and it’s even open-ish (not GPL, but at least source-available). You can build it from source yourself.
But I’m not as knowledgeable on the matter as @pojntfx, so I could absolutely be missing something here on the implementation of zero knowledge here.
See their GitHub page here: https://github.com/MinBZK/nl-wallet
Patrick Zauner 
Misuse Case@pojntfx @sstendahl Part of the reason it’s being done like this, or at all, is that tech companies are lobbying for it!
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> the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function
There are so many layers of WTF? in all this. The path dependence on offshore tech corporations being only the most surface one (although I agree this is a very bad idea).
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At a deeper level is the critique implied by the phrase 'papers please, comrade'. It's traditionally understood that in democracies, people have an inalienable right to privacy, and ought not to be expected to carry ID or prove who they are. *Unless* they are claiming powers under a position of authority, proving their right to use those powers to other citizens.
The creeping normalisation of people being asked for papers - online and off - is the more difficult problem to grapple with.
Dagnabbit, Pascaline ! 💥It's completely crazy to order the world to submit to Apple/Google.
But by now, America has been doing all sorts of things that were unheard of before. They just push to get their way, if necessary start with absurd demands that they will 'tone down' so the others think they reached a compromise but that really gives America what it really wanted.
I think most politicians by now turned into profit and ego-driven maniacs, real Wannahaves who adore the Haves.
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Attached: 1 image I just noticed that BOTH Apple and Google have capitulated to the fever dreams of a dictator who shits himself and rapes children.
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Gerard Cunningham ✒️@pojntfx All data eventually ends up with the palantir stasi
Pino Carafa@pojntfx It's a logical extension of phones running Apple or Google Operating Systems.
To remove that dependency we need to foster the development of an independent EU focused OS that can be installed on existing hardware or even subsidise EU based hardware. Not sure whether that could be, say, Nokia or a new player.
@pojntfx PS - sorry I thought you were based in the EU; not sure how I got that impression.
craignicol@pojntfx you'd think they'd look at how Apple, Google, Meta have responded to EU demands in the past, restricting functionality, removing features. Why would anyone choose to hand them a killswitch for fundamental access to society?
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