https://bmi.usercontent.opencode.de/eudi-wallet/wallet-development-documentation-public/latest/architecture-concept/06-mobile-devices/02-mdvm/

So, it turns out the German implementation of eIDAS (electronic ID wallet for e.g. age attestation) will require an Apple/Google account to function

Absolutely pathetic

Mobile Device Vulnerability Management Concept - German National EUDI Wallet: Architecture Documentation

If a German citizen gets sanctioned by the US government, once this is implemented (later this year), that means they will no longer be able to be a participating member of German society, e.g. to show their (digital) driver's license to traffic police
I've said it before an I'll say it again: This entire project of identity verification with Apple/Google-account bound mobile devices is going to lead the continent down a dark, dark path into full technological submission to the US

@pojntfx Honestly I will remain off the opinion the digital wallets are by itself a good idea, and could potentially be more privacy-friendly than traditional methods (thanks to granular sharing of information) and lessen dependence on big tech (the alternative is namely that the private market will do this).

Having said that, thatโ€™s only if implemented right. A dependency on Google Play services is worrying, and shows we still havenโ€™t learned anything from the past years.

@sstendahl Yeah, if they used ZKs I can see a way to make it great. But nobody - not one single country, anywhere on earth - is doing that.

And it's not just Play Services here. Those we can emulate with e.g. the EU-funded microG. It's specifically SafetyNet/remote attestation. That one can't be swapped out in any way we currently know. It's a hard dependency on Google.

@pojntfx @sstendahl not sure if this is what you meant, but in the Netherlands the municipality of Nijmegen introduced initial support for Yivi, also available on F-Droid. That seems close, or am I missing something? See: https://docs.yivi.app/
Yivi documentation | Yivi docs

Yivi is a privacy-first identity wallet solution designed to empower individuals with secure and seamless access to digital services. With Yivi, you are in full control of your personal information, sharing only what is necessary while safeguarding your privacy at every step.

@david @pojntfx I was mostly thinking of NLWallet, which is actually government backed/owned. As far as I know itโ€™s ZKP, and itโ€™s even open-ish (not GPL, but at least source-available). You can build it from source yourself.

But Iโ€™m not as knowledgeable on the matter as @pojntfx, so I could absolutely be missing something here on the implementation of zero knowledge here.

See their GitHub page here: https://github.com/MinBZK/nl-wallet

GitHub - MinBZK/nl-wallet: NL Wallet - A digital identity wallet provided by the government.

NL Wallet - A digital identity wallet provided by the government. - MinBZK/nl-wallet

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@sstendahl @david @pojntfx is yivi operating on the same trust level?