TRANS PERSON: please don't press the button that makes children kill themselves

CIS PERSON: but it's such a pretty button

TRANS PERSON: yes but it kills children

CIS PERSON: it looks so fun to press tho

TRANS PERSON: uh huh it kills children

CIS PERSON: you don't understand this button reminds me of my own childhood

TRANS PERSON: i feel like I need to remind you - dead children

CIS PERSON: *sweat pouring down their face* but i can separate the button from the person who made the button!

TRANS PERSON: good for you, the button still makes children kill themselves

CIS PERSON: *straining from the effort of not pushing the button* but i want my children to enjoy the button

TRANS PERSON: the button that kills children

CIS PERSON: you just don't want anyone to enjoy things

TRANS PERSON: again...dead children

CIS PERSON: *pushes the button*

This post is about JK Rowling.

@Lana From my experience of my own kid's social circles: the ones who were HP fans had moms who'd been HP fans and gave off "gaslight gatekeep girlboss feminist" vibes. AFAIK none of them are friends anymore, which is also related to them having gone off to private schools because the middle school *gasp* has Black kids at it and Black folks living in the neighborhood around it.

Folks who were drawn to HP were drawn to it for a reason.

@dalias @Lana Maybe that's true for people young enough never to have encountered the books without the "author is an anti-trans fanatic" associations.

But, e.g., my university-age daughter was an HP fan and has none of that stuff going on. She thinks JKR is contemptible and is keen to make sure that none of her money ever flows in JKR's direction ever again, but she loved the books when they were first published. She enjoyed the books and the movies "for a reason", but the reason was that the books were fun to read and the movies were fun to watch. (And also maybe that _practically everyone_ of her age was reading the books and watching the movies.)

I don't think justice is served by deciding retroactively that actually the books were obviously saturated with bigotry and that everyone who enjoyed them was a bigot.

(Yes, there absolutely is some shitty stuff in the books -- e.g., ye gods, the goblins -- but not so much that only Bad People could have liked them.)

@gjm @Lana I don't think you have to have been a bad person to like them back then, but they did particularly appeal to people with certain affinities, and the "I made these books enough of a part of my identity I want to pass that on to my kids" folks come across creepy to me.
@dalias @Lana So far as I can tell, most children who liked those books liked them more because _they_ liked them than because their parents were fans and somehow forced them into it. But, again, maybe we're talking about different age-groups; my own daughter was of about the age to read them as they originally came out and was distinctly more a fan than either parent.
@gjm @Lana I'm talking about parents who read them then as kids, with kids who read them in the past decade.

@dalias

I can't believe the books with "Cho Chang" and totally-not-jewish banker goblins have a statistically significant racist readership. Who could have seen that coming?

@Lana

@alessandro holy shit that naming is so racist itโ€™s beyond belief lmao
@Lana Hogwarts still sits on the page of games offered to me for free, and is still absent from my library.

@Lana why can't we just have a cool animorphs movie/game/multimedia empire where all the shitheads in the world are actually evil Yeerks and they get their asses beat by kids who can transform into squirrels if they want to

(I hope I didn't misrepresent the animorphs there.. I'm sure there was a lot more nuance, and the fact that the kids were sort of turned into child soldiers in a war between 2 alien species was pretty fucked up, and some of them didn't make it? Y/A series huh... :x)

@caitp I would play the shit out of that game it sounds fire as fuck

@caitp @Lana nope thatโ€™s pretty much animorphs. also animorphs are strongly acab ๐Ÿ˜

though if weโ€™re remaking/adapting it letโ€™s make tobias trans and rachel bi

@Lana Sometimes I would just like a world where cis people thought killing children might be a bad thing, because, as far as I can tell, the vast majority of them, the ones that vote for war, and for austerity, clearly fucking donโ€™t.
@Lana urgh as a vegan trans woman I get to enjoy the FUN that is having this conversation and then the exact same conversation with funnily the exact same arguments, except the dead children is young animals and the button is eating meat/eggs/dairy x.x

@AnhedoniaIsReal I guess the difference for me is I don't see dead children and dead chickens as morally equivalent outcomes.

I do agree it is good idea to reduce our meat intake for the betterment of our planet though, and I am actively taking steps to do that in my household.

@Lana there is no way to ask this without coming of combative but I really just want to know:

Do you know what that moral difference between dead human children and dead chicken children is for you?

@AnhedoniaIsReal it's fine, it's a fair question. I hate to say it this way because it sounds like I'm being snide and I promise you I'm not. But the moral difference for me is one is a human and the other is a chicken. In my mind there is a moral distinction based on that.

@Lana no not snide, I have heard it before actually, don't worry.

Maybe it's my autism, but I don't understand why species is that line instead of gender, skin color or (other differences we already agree on not being morally relevant).

Thanks for being honest btw :)

@AnhedoniaIsReal I don't see any reason not to be honest. I think any belief that can't be examined isn't worth having.
@Lana @AnhedoniaIsReal (reading this exchange has cheered me up. Ty both)

@Lana

Periodically looping back here to make sure I block anybody who 'well actually's in the comments.

If somebody lets a TERF shit in their skull, nothing they let come out of their mouth is trustworthy.

@Lana Are saying reading Harry Potter is equivalent to murdering a child or am I missing something?
@snorker @Lana buying HP gives money to JKR, who uses it to suppress (and drive into suicide, and have harassed to the point of outright murder) trans people, and children are the weakest of those
CIS PERSON: Are you saying pressing the button that makes children kill themselves is equivalent to murdering a child or am I missing something?

@snorker @Lana

I think this article articulates it really well:

https://defector.com/its-time-to-grow-up-hbo-harry-potter

Itโ€™s Time To Grow Up | Defector

HBOโ€™s new Harry Potter TV series is premiering this Christmas Day. Under current plans, it will last at least a decade. The trailer looks like the original films were run through an AI generator, but quality isnโ€™t the point. The show is a transparent attempt to induct a new generationโ€”and marketโ€”into the lucrative fantasy worldโ€ฆ

@Lana The title of this essay could be, โ€œWhy Iโ€™m Still Reading Harry Potter,โ€ by I.M. Cis.