semiconductor folks! I've seen a lot of talking heads repeat the claim that "a helium shortage is bad for chip production", never substantiated with useful information. do any of you know:

  • what is helium actually used in the processes?
  • which specific processes would be affected?
  • how much helium (ballpark) is needed per year?
  • where, if anywhere, a closed cycle is used?
  • what happened to the strategic helium reserve in the US?
neither me nor anybody i've talked to so far (including some industry people) could point at any process steps they know involves helium, and i've no idea where this claim originated

from some discussion and research, it seems like one of the major uses is in ESC/BSG wafer clamp devices (https://csmantech.org/wp-content/acfrcwduploads/field_5e8cddf5ddd10/post_6573/15.3_Characterization_of_Electrostatic_Chuck.pdf) where flow of helium is less than 20 sccm per chuck.

this represents about 2 micrograms of helium per second per chuck, which i'm not too concerned about. there are of course some other applications that may consume more helium

macnamara on bsky is the first person to give a credible and comprehensive primary source for total He usage by a semiconductor facility in this report

Each advanced semiconductor facility consumes approximately 2-4 million cubic feet of helium annually for various manufacturing processes, including ion implantation, chemical vapor deposition, and plasma etching operations.

this is a range of 56000-113000 cubic meters of helium per year, or 155-310 cubic meters per day

Helium Gas Market Size, Share & 2034 Growth Trends Report

The Helium Gas Market size is expected to reach USD 6.2 billion in 2034 registering a CAGR of 5.1. This Helium Gas Market research report highlights market share, competitive analysis, demand dynamics, and future growth.

Emergen Research
one caveat is that this is for an "advanced" facility (I assume they mean EUV); I'm equally interested in what an older node's consumption would be like, since we can live without top-end GPUs but can't live without power MOSFETs

@whitequark UHV systems will typically have a cryopump. This is a closed cycle helium system and although they do break and need to be recharged occasionally it's much less than a cylinder per year.

Sputter systems are a common place to find these

@ldcd yeah basically I'm thinking that anything below "cylinder per week" isn't going to matter in the global scheme of things, I'm trying to figure out where the higher usage comes from
@whitequark yeah I have no idea where that 2-4million cubic feet per year thing is coming from, our fab is pretty advanced (DUV processing etc) and afaik all the tools with helium are closed cycle
@whitequark also the US vents some stupid amount of helium into the air from natural gas production because it's currently not economical to capture it, I don't expect this to be a serious issue

@whitequark I think a large part of the panic we periodically see over semiconductor consumables exists only because analysts and tech executives have convinced themselves that fabs are these super high tech automated facilities, when in fact they are massively labour intensive to operate

They think they're like data centers where you can staff them with like 3 security guards one tech and a few remote hands when in actuality you need a massive team of highly skilled people working in three shifts around the clock

@whitequark That's a good question ye.

Maybe some of the vapor deposition processes?

@Hemera As far as I know, all currently used cold vapour deposition techniques of relevance to (mainstream) chip-making can be done at liquid nitrogen temperature or higher. Quantum computer research might have uses for colder ones. It's not impossible that NSA could be using helium-requiring chips in large numbers, and their supplier(s) would have trouble without helium, but I don't know of solid leaks positively affirming such, so far.

@whitequark

@riley @Hemera consider that helium is also sometimes used as carrier or purge gas (in quantities I'd very much like to know about)

@whitequark Oh. Yeah. That could be a use.

@Hemera

@whitequark @riley @Hemera Purge gas is the explanation I had seen, and I had heard also that EUV machines needed it (though apparently, people in this thread are suggesting hydrogen is used ?)

I think it would make sense to have a non-reactive gas atmosphere, though.

@whitequark @riley @Hemera I think some lasers also use helium, either to get the right frequency or temperature. Might be required to etch the gates at the required size?
@whitequark @riley @Hemera @gwenthefops there are lasers like HeNe with He-bearing media but I doubt those need a large supply of helium

(idk much about industrial laser systems though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they use He for other purposes within the laser)
@whitequark @riley @Hemera @gwenthefops there are lasers like HeNe with He-bearing media but I doubt those need a large supply of helium

(idk much about industrial laser systems though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they use He for other purposes within the laser)
@whitequark EUV photolithography requires a pure hydrogen atmosphere — great question about helium usage!
National Helium Reserve - Wikipedia

@ben @krans I did read the Wikipedia page, obviously. I'm asking the question because I'm interested in non-public information industry insiders are usually aware of
@whitequark @krans I was sure the answer was going to be that it got used for an epic white house slumber party
@ben @whitequark @krans ya, need it for the Chipmunkl'y monthly bash.
@whitequark I have never heard a good explanation either.
@gsuberland apparently the primary use, or at least one of the primary uses, is wafer and lens cooling during high temperature processing (so it's used as a heat transfer fluid and mostly recovered); there may also be uses of it as carrier gas or purge gas; I haven't got any numbers still
@whitequark the only thing where I heard chip and helium in one sentence was an announcement from a norwegian company who want to replace EUV with helium atoms for smaller prints. But that surely isn't meant lol
@whitequark The US strategic reserve was sold dirt cheap to capitalist parasites.
@dalias I know that, but not what said parasites do with it now, which is the part that interests me

@whitequark helium is non-reactive, so it’s used as a carrier gas and a chamber control gas (fill the chamber with it and flow your chemical vapor deposition gases into that environment). Different gases have different effects on the temperature control of the chamber for different materials’ growth processes. As a carrier gas I believe helium has the most use in Si-doping.

A few paragraphs on helium’s thermal properties in https://semiengineering.com/using-less-helium-in-semiconductor-manufacturing/

Using Less Helium In Semiconductor Manufacturing

With price spikes and shortages expected, companies should look for ways to reduce reliance on limited helium supplies.

Semiconductor Engineering
@be_far thanks. I have some background in vacuum systems so this makes a lot of sense. do you know the ballpark number for how much helium is used, after accounting for reclamation?
@whitequark the one number I’ve ever seen (couldn’t ever find a source, everyone just repeats it) is that one advanced TSMC fab uses 500,000 cubic meters of helium a year. If it’s used as a purge gas like you mentioned in another comment I imagine it’s very low reclamation but I don’t know if that number takes reclamation into account (even if it’s not made up).
@be_far yeah it's infuriating how often someone just pulls a figure out of who knows where and then everyone else repeats it
@whitequark it has to be AI generated at this point, you’d think there would be some interview somewhere saying it but I’ve never found one. TSMC’s own periodic sustainability reports are in dollars, maybe you could convert using price data?
@whitequark FWIW, my hunch is, if chipmaking is affected by helium deficit, the troubles would be more likely to hit R&D and possibly the construction of new foundries than ongoing manufacturing processes. Cryocrystallography is a thing in materials science research, and while it used to largely get by with liquid nitrogen, the bleeding^W chattering edge of new research has been shifting steadily coldwards.
@whitequark I think helium makes the bubbles smaller giving the chips a more premium mouthfeel.
@whitequark it’s used for loads of things, as a carrier gas, for cooling, and the main way to find leaks in an ultra high vacuum system (of which fabs have loads) is by spraying helium around the outside and looking for helium that makes it inside

there’s probably plenty of other uses I’m just ignorant of
@whitequark I think it may be used in some plasma etch processes. Dry etching is basically sorcery

@whitequark when I worked in the clean room, the most significant use of helium was to purge the vacuum of sputtering machines. We were not particularly frugal, and there was no thought of recovery.

I think it's reasonable to worry about the sustainability of casually blowing it into space while the only affordable source is in natural gas pockets.

For reference, for one wafer, I'd waste about 500l of helium on average (rough guess).

@iwein okay yeah this dwarfs basically any other (non-aggregate) number i've seen
@whitequark in their defense, it was non scaled scientific setting
@whitequark @iwein yeah I imagine most large scale industrial fabs are set up to recover that

@psistarpsiii you'd think that, but when recovery is more expensive than the new stuff, capitalism sez no.

@whitequark

@iwein @whitequark fucking capitalism, burn it to the ground
@psistarpsiii @iwein as best as i can tell, the capitalism is currently incentivizing fabs to conserve helium

@whitequark yup, but if we could burn it to the ground in favor of something more kind and intelligent, we could avoid a lot of waste and suffering, so no objections to that from my side 🙇‍♀️

@psistarpsiii

@iwein @whitequark probably highly dependent on which country you’re in. I really wish we tackled sustainability concerns and earth science as a united planet
@psistarpsiii @iwein most countries have no fabs at all. realistically you only care about a handful

@whitequark my understanding is that the extreme low temp refrigeration was the main use of helium. Getting magnets to superconducting temperatures for MRI machines and such

But I'm not sure how it would be used for semiconductor production

@whitequark the bulk (90%+) of the helium reserve was sold off years ago; the inventory entered the ordinary market for helium and was used for all the things anybody uses helium for, and the remainder was sold with the land and facilities to an industrial gas supplier (Messer) in 2021

helium is primarily obtained as a byproduct of natural gas extraction, and the US is now the leading producer of both gas and helium; the reserve was wound down because the US is no longer dependent on helium imports, and produces vastly in excess of domestic demand

@whitequark
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@whitequark @Lynx when you’re discussing serious process issues with complicated EUV lithography, the stress spiral experienced by the team is effectively defused by matching the miniature scale involved with the use of high-pitched voices.