You know there's something wrong with US politics when NASA is forced to communicate in Imperial measurements.

"Orion’s main engine provides up to 6,000 pounds of thrust, enough to accelerate a car from 0 to 60 mph in about 2.7 seconds. At the time of the burn, Orion’s mass was 58,000 pounds and burned approximately 1,000 pounds of fuel during the firing."

https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/02/artemis-ii-flight-day-2-orion-completes-tli-burn-crew-begins-journey-to-the-moon/

#space #artemis #nasa

Artemis II Flight Day 2: Orion Completes TLI Burn, Crew Begins Journey to the Moon - NASA

NASA’s Artemis II crew is on the way to the Moon.

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OFFS "On the station, crews rely on more than 4,000 pounds of exercise hardware spread across roughly 850 cubic feet." 🙄

#science #nasa #artemis

NASA's use of Imperial measurements is similar to if US biologists started using species names in the Texas dialect instead of in Latin.

#science #nasa #artemis #space

I can't overstate this. NASA's use of pounds and cubic feet in its outreach efforts does not come across to science-literate people, inside or outside the US, as a sign that the country is a badass superpower that can do what it likes and ignore everyone else.

Instead it suggests that the US is a provincial nation of dungaree-wearing banjo players.

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@mrundkvist I actually wear dungarees and play a banjo.
@btrinen @mrundkvist hahaha me too except it's the cello instead of the banjo although I would very much like to learn the banjo.

@mrundkvist Worse, NASA lost a spacecraft due to this oractice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter

I don’t see it as superpower bravado but rather the inability to adapt and the low values the public places I. Science and engineering.

Mars Climate Orbiter - Wikipedia

@mrundkvist It is frustrating as well for the hundreds of millions of Americans who had no choice of measurement standards in school or everyday life, most of whom neither wear dungarees nor play banjo. Every day I am applying complex conversion formulae just to get by in Mexico. I still don't have an innate sense of either metric sizes or celsius temperatures. Metric is easier, but still a struggle. Poor me.

@farbel @mrundkvist I mean, it's not like we don't have inches and feet in Europe either. I've had to do conversions all my life too because they're commonly used in many contexts. Since the default is metric, I do the conversion the other way of course, but at the end of the day, it's still an additional cognitive load.

I was just discussing wind speed with my brother, who works at an airport. I'm used to metres per second wind speeds, but they use knots.

@mrundkvist You know all of our standards are metric then converted to imperial? When you buy a pound of cheese, you’re really getting just under half a kilo.
@mrundkvist It's 4,204,640 football fields to the moon.
@mrundkvist My daughter is a pilot and I'm in the Navy and we use non-SI units daily, and I don't think lesser of either of us as a result.
@mrundkvist Unfortunately NASA must pander to the illiterate banjo players to keep its funding. Internally they use metric for everything because that's how science works, even in the US.

@mrundkvist

Why you gotta do Dungaree Wearing Banjo Players so wrong? I'd take either Pete Seeger or Bela Fleck over Trump any day of the week.

@mrundkvist I’m not reflexively opposed to the use of old-school units (many of them have useful mathematical properties that metric lacks). But in science and engineering contexts, it should be all metric all the time.

I’m fortunate to have been a reasonably bright kid during the two weeks the US made a metric push in the late 70s, and then decently trained in science that I’m reasonably comfortable in both systems.

@mrundkvist

Well, these dungaree-wearing banjo players broke the interstellar barrier, did a fly-by of Pluto, and are currently flying a team around the moon.

Ain't nothin' wrong with the banjo.
Long as you do your science right.

😀

@mrundkvist
Both affirmations are true!
@mrundkvist @LabSpokane In the 1970s, I was taught the metric system with the understanding that the country would switch to it with the rest of the world. That never happened. I can convert millimeters in centimeters to inches and feet now and roughly convert meters to yards, but the rest requires deeper thought or a calculator. I wish we had made the change. It's a pain in the ass when everyone else uses metric units and I have to think harder than I should to figure out how much it is.
@mrundkvist @LabSpokane And yes, I'm wearing blue jeans right now. But I don't play the banjo.
@mrundkvist I agree with the spirit of the message but there's nothing wrong with the banjo
It's been 230 years since British pirates robbed the US of the metric system

Feature: How did the world's largest economy get stuck with retro measurement?

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@mrundkvist

I will say from the time President Carter was elected up through 1980 election, we kids got oriented, indoctrinated in the metric system. We were taught to use it in math classes. But after that initial push it all ebbed away. I had to confront it again in Biology/Chemistry/Physics classes in both High School and College.

@mrundkvist

Public Television even had a 1/2 hour long program (maybe it was 13 episodes total). We would watch those and learn all the relevant prefixes (even the ones that barely get used today). Like "deka-"

I found a link, it actually started in 1974 (before President Carter was elected, so we were already gearing up). https://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-526-gt5fb4xq93

The Metric System; No. 2; No. 8; No. 13; What is the Metric System?; It's All Based on the Meter; Comparing Units of Volume

This series has two specific general objectives: to motivate viewers to become interested in and to want to know more about the metric system of measurement; to teach the viewers metric terms and metric units and to relate in a common-use way the more familiar metric units of measurement. "The United States is steadily becoming more and more aware of the fact that it should change, for several good reasons, to the metric system. This series was produced with the hope of making the transition from the customary to the metric system as 'painless' as possible."--1974 Peabody Awards entry form.

American Archive of Public Broadcasting
@mrundkvist When you go after dungaree-wearing banjo players, you may have overstated it. Your point is valid, though.
@mrundkvist Yes, and they don’t even bother to put SI units on screen or even mention them in commentary, let alone use SI full time. Makes watching NASA TV very frustrating.
@mrundkvist as someone outside the US with military engineering experience and no particular dog in this fight, it gives very strong “amateurs are launching spacecraft made of wood” vibes and they should really consider translating their broadcasts if they want the PR win.