The new user experience (found on lemmy)

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@Steve12L freedom of choice isn't the easy one

@fischli @Steve12L It has no proper (or reference) graphical user interface. That's why FOSS Android is probably the superior choice going forward; Android 16 now has a full desktop interface.

The proof is in the help/howto articles. If the writers are forced to write "Open a terminal and type..." then the OS in question isn't made for consumers.

Also, what is even "Linux" in this context? In geekdom we are castigated for suggesting it only refers to a kernel and not a TUI userland, which we are discouraged from calling "GNU". We expect that "Linux" means having a particular type a packaging format & repository & dependency structure similar to deb/rpm/apt/dnf etc. What if its apk? (Oh, no! Impossible!) The culture around "Linux" has accrued some burdensome lies.

@fischli Also, there is nothing wrong, from a "freedom" perspective, with having a reference GUI. A GUI is a type of interface. Advanced users who want a different interface on Android can replace it.

But the same will probably never be true for Linux because Linux is one of two things: 1) only a kernel, or 2) a tradition that makes choosing different GUIs, package formats, etc. necessary. To the Linux techie subculture, this is preferable to having a system where the replacement of a standard default is necessary (this state is viewed as anti-freedom). I think that point of view is anti-consumer and hurts freedom more than it helps.

@tasket I would assume, the vast majority didn't even know that they had to think about their needs. It's not fair to simply call it a lie.
@Steve12L c'est tellement ça 😅
@Natouille Clairement ! 😉
@Steve12L @Natouille C'est bien beau tout ça, mais la vraie question avant tout ça : EXT4 ou BTRFS ?
@jeeynet @Steve12L @Natouille zfs! Parce que ça y'est linux c'est has been, faut passer sur *bsd ^^ 😆
@jeeynet @Steve12L ké ??? 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

@jeeynet @Steve12L @Natouille

BtrFS depuis 2022 pour ma part.

https://blog.flozz.fr/2022/05/22/btrfs-revolution-ou-catastrophe-ou-en-est-on-aujourdhui/

Ça marche très bien et les snapshots m'ont déjà sauvées le postérieure 😄

Btrfs : révolution ou catastrophe ? Où en est-on aujourd'hui ?

Btrfs (prononcez « Butter FS ») est l'un des systèmes de fichiers les plus avancés disponibles aujourd'hui sous Linux. Il est moderne, repose sur des principes qui le rendent extrêmement fiable et propose de nombreuses fonctionnalités très intéressantes. Il est même utilisé par défaut par plusieurs distributions Linux. Malgré cela, il se …

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@Steve12L yes, funny.

But if you can: ask to the people that you expect or have offered to help.

@Steve12L scratching the surface
@travisfw @Steve12L I do appreciate how just clicking the top option in both cases is probably the right option, 90% of the time.

@Steve12L
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Linux's strength has always been; Lot's of choices!

Linux's weakness has always been; *you* have to choose.

@Steve12L And then disk partitions, packages, etc. Ugh!
@Steve12L I feel like there's opportunity here for a native tool to help people new to Linux make these kinds of choices. Something that would run native on Windows or macOS that would scan hardware to check for compatibility prior to trying an installation, and a quiz of some sort to determine the best options for the individual. It would be handy if it created installation media for the user based on those decisions and walked them through upcoming steps. I know there's some web tools, but...
@mike Good idea but there are websites where you can try out distributions before installing them.
@Steve12L True. DistroSea is the one that comes to mind for me, but it still gives a giant list of potential distros to try, which brings us back to the original point of the comic. Not saying those types of sites aren't handy, but I can't imagine my little brother or my parents going out to one and trying out 17 distros to find the one they like the best.
@mike DistroSea yes, there is another one i tried months ago i don't remember.
Never mind.
But yes u're true.
One could imagine a website that would ask the future user about their skills and preferences, in addition to the hardware it detects automatically.
It would be great.