fossilesqueKilling the intellectual future of Iran. Science has no borders.
FiniteBanjoCorrection, that is not Israel’s goal. Israel’s goal is to expand their own territory, and it should never be allowed.
If Israel’s goal was the collapse of the Iranian state then that would be admirable because it’s a horrible fucking state. But, again, it is not.
CarbonIceDragonA failed state doesn’t just imply the fall of a government, it refers to a degradation of the conditions of a country such that effective governance by anyone is impossible for a period. Think like has happened in Somalia, or Haiti. I’m not going to claim that the Iranian government is a particularly admirable one, but that kind of condition would be even worse for the people living there, and the chances of that process resting in something significantly better when the country finally recovers again aren’t terribly high.
TBH I think even total anarchy, with roving bands of raiders, might be better than a country that wages war on every neighbor and kills thousands of protestors in a short time period. The fact that they ally themselves with China is just more on the pile.
bainesYou’re arguing with a strawman on that one.
no I’m advocating that attacking institutions of medicine and science runs counter to actually improving anything you claim to care about
these were the people least likely to be a party to the actual Iranian atrocities
i can’t tell if you are just arguing in bad faith, some kid inheriting beliefs from older family members or just not too bright
Oh wow so cool
Except I never defended attacking those institutions? In fact, I condemned Israel for their actions. So you’re literally arguing against a made up person who holds the stances you oppose. You’re basically having a self-argument and forcing me to witness it.
Lenin's Dumbbell Fuck off fed
If Israel’s goal was the collapse of the Iranian state then that would be admirable because it’s a horrible fucking state.
pick less inflammatory words than because it reafs like you do
Idk how you got that far into the comment without seeing the first line directly before it:
Correction, that is not Israel’s goal. Israel’s goal is to expand their own territory, and it should never be allowed.
Seems like you and the rest of these tankie fucks just have a skill issue.
小莱卡For a moment there I thought you were describing the USA.
You won’t hear any complaints from me if you support killing Trump or funding the resistance, as long as that resistance isn’t backed by something worse like China.
lumpenproletariatNothing is worse than the US.
lmfao
Iran executes gay people and helped Israel (who is also worse than the USA) start a genocide.
The US rapes children and covers it up.
And Iran did not help Israel start a genocide. Fuck off with that “oh they helped Palestinians/Hamas defend themselves, that means they’re responsible for Israel’s genocide” shit take you keep trying to push.
The GOP rapes children and covers it up, the USA investigates and sentences them for their crimes. In North Korea childrape and marriage is accepted as standard procedure for the Kim dynasty, in Iran there is no minimum age for marriage nor consent.
US soldiers gang raped girls before murdering them during the Mai Lao Massacre for just one example.
Sexual abuse of children and lack of consequences is a historic, ongoing, and deep seated pattern of behaviour from the American state.
You can try to point out a few bad things other states do, but ultimately the US has done more and worse for longer. The US is the most evil country around and its citizens eat up the propaganda that they’re good.
I literally just oulined how the bad thing that people get put in prison for in the USA is perfectly legal in those other states. The USA isn’t the worst by a longshot.
Iran backs and funds the Hamas (an internationally recognized terrorist organization), and Hezbollah (an internationally recognized terrorist organization), the Houthi rebels (an internationally recognized terrorist organization) and the iraqi separatist groups (…you guessed it). They have spent trillions of $ fostering violence in attempts to destabilize the entire Middle East, not just Israel. It’s no coincidence that they are also attacking almost every other Arab country in the Middle East right now.
Death to the US. It was founded on genocide. It is nothing more than a much more successful Israel. Both US and Israel must be dissolved if humanity is to progress
I see they brainwashed you good
Anarchy is not roving bands of raiders. That’s Mad Max you’re thinking of.
Anarchy is a way of living without a hierarchical authority dictating to the people.
It doesn’t have to be, but it certainly can be. I’ll have you know that the roving band of raiders are well read anarcho-communists helpfully enforcing their anti-hierarchical beliefs via a system of rotating shifts of enforcers of public safety and security, and forcefully redistributing food. It’s just that this specific case happens to involve killing everyone who disagrees with them.
True, let’s hope Israel falls into Anarchy. Ah wait, they only starve the people they ethnically clean, are you talking about Israel???
Random fact: Gaza depends on Israel for both its water and electricity. I’ve never found a “genocide believer” who can explain why Israel would continue to provide both if it truly is attempting to commit a genocide.
They realize they have to kill them slow or else other countries will step in. It’s also why they’re fighting tooth and nail against the ICC’s genocide determination, even having VISA and Mastercard blacklist the judge.
So you’re implying that Russia’s attack on Ukraine should have never been allowed as well - but I have yet to see any American 🇺🇸 troups there.
I see their long range missiles there, despite every effort by the compromised Trump admin.
Thats a cute narrative, but unfortunately it doesn’t align with reality in the slightest-
- Israel gifted the Sinai peninsula to Egypt in return for peace
- Israel attempted to return Gaza to Egypt after the `67 war, Egypt refused to take it back
- Israel attempted to return the West Bank to Jorden after the `67 war, Jordan refused to take it back (aka the “Allon plan”, google it)
- Israel has entered Lebanon multiple times to clear out the PLO and Hezbollah’s forward positions which were attacking Israel. Every single time it has pulled back to international borders once the threat was removed.
- Israel offered the PLO a 2-state solution on 98% of the land it demanded (Gaza/WestBank). PLO declined.
- Israel unilaterally exited Gaza in 2005 and handed it over to the Palestinians to self-govern. The Palestinians immediately used their newfound independence to attack Israel.
All of the above is public history which is a single Google search away. Be better.
That would be a really great argument, if not for the fact that Palestine has been shrinking in land area for decades and that Netanyahu’s regime helped Iran supply funds and weapons to Gaza.
pewgar_seemsimandroidisrael hae to make sure they weren’t out evillled (?) be iran
What anyone thinks of Iran should pale in comparison to what they think of the US. Truly the most evil nation since Nazi Germany.
Both are bad, neither is worse than the US.
Just going by invasions and regime changes alone the US takes the cake. That’s before you get into the spreading crack into black communities, chemical weapons on civilians, drone strikes on children, ecological destruction, genocide enabling, etc etc.
i hate defending the US because it has had more direct bad impact on my life bit by scale of lost life alone i’d still argue Russia is still worse, and if we lump current China to not even that long ago China the numbers killed are not even close
the scale of China’s population just blows it allniut of proportion
50+million chinese people and the ughyger genocided people would like to have a word with you.
by measure of lost life i’d still argue modern Russia is worse
Idk what lost life you’re counting, because it’s pretty well known that civilian casualties in just the Iraq war most likely dwarf Ukrainian losses.
ffs google, it is painful when i can tell people are not even trying and just mad at the US
i get it i do, US is doing bad shit but it’s obvious your not even trying to look
Oh indeed thanks for telling me that I need to google your vague and in no way clarified idea of what Russia is doing, when I can read goddamn Russian language itself and have been reading independent Russian-language opposition media covering Russian reality for ages, and know a whole lot more about it than you do.
i’m not even going to read past the first line
only two of you seem lost on what to do
you don’t wanna that’s fine don’t care
Yeah, it’s pretty clear already that you actually can’t put any brainpower behind your bullshit.
KultronxBy numbers US is probably worse but the level of cruelty from Russia is unmatched outside of terrorist organizations
Would it really be tho?
Like the US targets children and social gatherings to attack, tortures/rapes/murders innocent civilians in black sites, keeps a racial based underclass who they hook on drugs, violently assault from childhood, and lock up in record numbers to serve as legal slave labour. That’s pretty fucking cruel stuff.
All true but I never seen videos o people being killed by sledgehammer to the head or castrated in cold blood with a blunt knife coming from the US.
You mean the two countries tied for 3rd place in the most evil country competition?
recency bias and the US outsized reputation makes it seem that I’m sure but lol if you think this is true
we’re just more free to complain about it, probably not for much longer though
so if you think it’s bad now buckle up and I say this as a generational casualty of US colonialism
Its not receny bias. The US didnt just turn evil in Jan 2025.
How are are all those black prisoners working in privatised prisons doing by the way?
China has 4 times the population as the US, yet the US still has the largest prison population on Earth.
Slavery never ended in america.
Land of the free my hole.
who said anything about 2025? even if you want to peg the US evil starting with Nixon (which isn’t perfectly true as we were war profiteering in ww1/2) that’s recent, the US is a baby nation
now you’re just throwing strawman arguments, I don’t support any of this shit the US is currently doing, it’s just stupid to think China hasn’t done worse in the last century, isn’t doing equally evil shot now