Transgender World"Giving money to J.K.Rowling is the same as giving money to eradicate transgender people. I'm sorry, but it's true."
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Michael T Babcock@transworld its not, this is oversimplification, and its a fallacy.
You can *try* to avoid spending money places that support things you don't support, but you'll fail.
Example, Coca Cola has this many executives: https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/leadership
Do you know what every one of them supports? Do you know how every one of them votes? Can you drink any of their products as a result?
Now do this with EVERY corporation.
People have to live their lives. You can support art and artists you don't agree with.
You can *try* to avoid spending money places that support things you don't support, but you'll fail.
Example, Coca Cola has this many executives: https://www.coca-colacompany.com/about-us/leadership
Do you know what every one of them supports? Do you know how every one of them votes? Can you drink any of their products as a result?
Now do this with EVERY corporation.
People have to live their lives. You can support art and artists you don't agree with.
Noa@mikebabcock @transworld this isn't a fallacy though. "No ethical consumption under capitalism" doesn't mean "it's ok to spend money with this person actively funding the eradication of human of a certain category". The dog analogy is literally 1:1.
(Not talking to the transphobe but to anyone else reading; of course I blocked this asshole rather than attempt "discourse" with someone who's already made up they're mind that it's ok for people to die for their consumerism)
Mich@vex @mikebabcock @transworld 1/4
jk rowling’s words and actions against trans people are truly awful. but the art/artist argument is real and complicated.
art becomes so much more than the artist. and yet the originator of something is paid the primary royalties.
if i enjoy the art, how do i reconcile that with the originator’s current actions?
i used to love hp. rn there’s so much other (better) fantasy i have discovered and fallen into. is complex
@vex @mikebabcock @transworld 2/4
the moment a work of art is taken into the hands of readers, it begins a journey where the art could cross contexts and cultures the originator could never have imagined. it takes on its own meanings.
the early potter fandom with all of its attendant webshows, wattpad pieces, and all the hp cosplay is an example. excited fans took a thing and ran with it.
@vex @mikebabcock @transworld 3/4
looking at it now, i’m not attracted to the new hp stuff.
part of it is that it doesn’t feel like it has the craft and joy that the original releases had and built.
but maybe part of my disinterest comes from just knowing the weight of supporting a living artist who funds the eradication of certain people.
@vex @mikebabcock @transworld 4/4
maybe a happier ending to the comic would be the person bending down to the dog to say, like,
“i used to really love this. but you see that sign? even if they try to bring it back, for that and a million other reasons, i’m not ultimately interested in supporting them.”
anyway that’s how i feel about hp. it’s different and nuanced with every artist depending on what they do/have done.
@theatremaker @vex @transworld nuance is important, but also so is the personal decision part.
What I'm *against* is judging other people for their personal non-hostile decisions and limits.
I love eating at Popeye's. Have I looked up all the ownership to see if they're acceptable?
I love books from Penguin Random House. I haven't checked if they're all koscher either.
I refuse to impose what *I* feel about products on other people. I inform people. They only have so much bandwidth.
What I'm *against* is judging other people for their personal non-hostile decisions and limits.
I love eating at Popeye's. Have I looked up all the ownership to see if they're acceptable?
I love books from Penguin Random House. I haven't checked if they're all koscher either.
I refuse to impose what *I* feel about products on other people. I inform people. They only have so much bandwidth.
@theatremaker @vex @transworld and to be *clear* I'm in support of everyone being allowed to live their lives in peace and not being judged for who they are and only for what they do to others. I can't apply that to one community and not the other. People who want to watch Harry Potter have every right to enjoy it. People who want to avoid it because of the author's views are free to do so as well.
So long as is up to you, live in peace with all people.
So long as is up to you, live in peace with all people.
Normie@mikebabcock @theatremaker @vex @transworld
'there's no ethical consumption under capitalism' was mean to highlight that you should swap economic systems, not sink into nihilism, and definitely not sit here pretending just because every purchase causes a problem there's no relative scale between smaller problems and huge ones
and JK Rowling giving 100% of her 15% cut of all Harry Potter stuff to a "Womens" Fund so women who want to sue a random trans person, get them kicked out of employment or healthcare or housing, have all the financing they need
that money also goes to three huge Anti-Trans organizations; Sex Matters, For Women Scotland, and LGB Alliance - who will not stop until Trans people have no protections in UK law
perhaps you should try engaging with people like me, who's life has been destroyed, who has to piss in a disabled toilet because male and female is cisgender only
you wouldn't mind if I spent 15% of my next purchase on a local organization that would strip you of rights, yeah?
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Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary@theatremaker @vex @transworld
The point was not a "happy ending". The point was to skewer those who will look the other way from hate if it benefits them in some way.
The point was not a "happy ending". The point was to skewer those who will look the other way from hate if it benefits them in some way.
@theatremaker to this point separately, I loved the first five books. Six, meh. Seven? Rushed. The rest? Haven't spent any time with them. I can't love or hate something I haven't bothered reading.
Do I however love that the original books made a whole generation of kids literate? Yes. Its a more complex situation than a Disney movie.
Do I however love that the original books made a whole generation of kids literate? Yes. Its a more complex situation than a Disney movie.
Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫@theatremaker @vex @mikebabcock @transworld
Art and a human relationship to it is complex. Politics is very practical. You can possibly separate loving the art from the artist (if you can unsee what's under the surface of it), but you can't separate financially supporting the artist from the artist.
@theatremaker @[email protected] @transworld a person who buy blood diamonds over lab grown diamonds exhibits racism due to contributing to funding the exploitation.
A person who buys blood art exhibits bigotries as well. JKR literally uses money from her franchise to push laws & lies that literally result in fewer rights (i.e. increases exploitation & death) for women & trans men. You being stuck on "art vs artist" when the prior art-free example shows it's irrelevant, is avoidance, not a mistake. You simply want to enjoy your blood media without caring about the blood. & You want other people being ok with you not caring.
grrl_aexcoca-cola...ex...ec...u....
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You forgot your "acKsHuLly". are you trying to be sneaky?
dude. stop. Just stop, ok. You're embarrassing the other mansplainers... 😬
@kitkat_blue no, I didn't, although I did laugh at your insinuation. Prove to me that you can choose to only support products from only ethical people and I'll believe you.
This is how rational arguments work.
This is how rational arguments work.
SylvainThat sealion seems to have tremendous arguments...
I guess I'll just stop giving to charities, as it's pointless since I do not give to ALL charities.
EricIt's called a boycott. You don't need to provide your purchase history to some random person on the internet to participate in a boycott, and ask others to participate too.
D2@mikebabcock your grip on fallacies and the difference between boycotting this callow bitch vs. forensic accounting of Coca-Cola to estimate where the money goes… odd. Very odd.
Domo 🦇 
@mikebabcock @transworld this is literally about JK Rowling and the author has said as much. This isn't about Coca Cola. JK Rowling didn't invent Coca Cola. This is about the Harry Potter franchise. It's really easy not to buy Harry Potter crap. You don't need Harry Potter to live.
There are a million other authors that write about fantasy worlds that don't hate trans people. Stop being an ass, Michael.