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veroandi 17h ago

Jan Wildeboer 😷

We spent 20+ years on defining, supporting and promoting ODF and LibreOffice as open standard and open source solution for #DigitalSovereignty and now some tech bros decide to fork OnlyOffice (which uses Microsofts OOXML as internal format) instead of helping https://www.opendesk.eu/en/about and the Collabora people prefer infighting with The Document Foundation. Le sigh. (slightly exaggerated, but reflects my disappointment)

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ZenDiS fosters digital sovereignty in public administration with open source solutions. Its flagship product openDesk supports independent IT infrastructures.

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Jan Wildeboer 😷

OnlyOffice plans to fight EuroOffice on license issues [1], Collabora and the TDF are in legal fights too [2]. So the winners will be lawyers?

[1] https://www.onlyoffice.com/blog/2026/03/onlyoffice-flags-license-violations-in-euro-office-project-by-nextcloud-and-ionos

[2] https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/04/01/comment-about-collabora-blog-post/

ONLYOFFICE flags license violations in “Euro-Office” project

The “Euro-Office” initiative is an evident and material violation of ONLYOFFICE licensing terms and principles of international intellectual property law.

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Mark Gjøl 1d ago

@jwildeboer The winners are always the lawyers.

fellmoon 🏴1d ago

@jwildeboer hard southpark vibes are hard...

Steffen Voß 1d ago

@jwildeboer The public sector in Germany just made ODF the standard in their work starting 2027. If EuroOffice aims at the public sector, it will have to support that. It's good that EuroOffice properly supports OOXML. I thinks it's far easier to add ODF now. That will help the public sector to switch.

Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺1d ago

@kaffeeringe @jwildeboer the public sector can use OpenDesk or use what has been setup in Schleswig-Holstein or a mix of it.

Jan Wildeboer 😷

@prefec2 Opendesk ist just a very few people with budget problems. Which will now be even more relevant as the money and marketing will be focused on EuroOffice. And the French suite. And whatever the dutch come up with. Divide and conquer instead of joining forces for a unified European solution. It's unfortunately always the same story. @kaffeeringe

Leander Lindahl 🇪🇺1d ago

@jwildeboer @prefec2 @kaffeeringe 💯

Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷1d ago

@jwildeboer @prefec2 @kaffeeringe The impression I got from (or at least a few of) the people in charge of our (national) digital transformation is that *national* is really a key part of their mindset.

They're not Europeans. They're Germans.

They're very dismissive of even the French efforts, say around Mistral or La Suite. And the French aren't better.

(I wonder if this is Airbus PTSD, or just, well, nationalism. Or the former used to justify the latter.)

Jan Wildeboer 😷

@larsmb It's mostly the same players and lobbyists that also tried to push national clouds years ago, so I am not surprised. @prefec2 @kaffeeringe

Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺1d ago

@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe this is the same rivalry as ever. On a political level they are still national politicians doing natural politics. And in recent years they are more and more interested in their own career more than in their countries well being.

Companies are even worse and then there is in the IT the tendency of "Not invented here syndrome".

Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺1d ago

@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe essentially it is the same as in leftist group which cannot agree on anything.

Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺1d ago

@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe however, I do not see this as grim. People, as in Nerds, are working together. So SH and the Austrian army exchange knowledge and share development efforts. Also Zendis is talking with other EU projects. And Mistral is used in Germany.

Also when I read the list of services in EuroOffice, Zendis and the DSAP of SH, there are a lot of similarities. Similar sets of services. Yes, one uses Jitsi and the next OpenTalk and Visio.

Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺1d ago

@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe as long as they all support different id providers, adressbook integration and integration with the calendar providers e.g. Open-Xchange and/or Nextcloud or proper Interfaces to add this functionality, this is rather good.

The bigger issue is rather that different software products have overlapping functionality. You only need one calendar services, but it has to be able to talk to the mail system and other parts. Yes I want to view the calendar all applications

Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺1d ago

@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe but I want that only one backend service. Thus, Open Source applications must become more modular.

Right now I have a calendar in Nextcloud and I have a calendar in Open-Xchange. However, I cannot fully configure the Nextcloud calendar via OX and vs Versa.

Also this confuses users.

Jan Wildeboer 😷

@kaffeeringe A far better solution would be to use ODF internally and not as a potentially lossy import/export format, the way OnlyOffice works right now.

Olivenolje 1d ago

@kaffeeringe @jwildeboer

Wouldn't it make more sense to completely drop OOXML (like in Germany) and instead to work on the conversion of currently existing OOXML files to ODF?

@jwildeboer Are you sure that is the Collabora people that prefer that fight? Seeing that thing from inside, it is a hostile takeover of the board by employees of TDF that created this mess.

@jwildeboer if the source of the information is basically the Munich/Bayern based people, you will have one-sided information from people that have their own agenda. Just that you know.

Jan Wildeboer 😷

@fridrich Sure, try to deflect by questioning my sources of information while I try to focus on the big picture. Not going to fall down that trap. Have a nice day!

@jwildeboer Not deflecting anything. My heart is also bleeding that the infighting is there where fighting with the non-free options should be preferred.

Jan Wildeboer 😷

@fridrich Infighting. I honestly don't care about the petty details. It is infighting at the worst possible time.

@jwildeboer I was reacting to "Collabora people prefer" because they clearly would prefer not to have to handle this mess.