Jan Wildeboer 😷
We spent 20+ years on defining, supporting and promoting ODF and LibreOffice as open standard and open source solution for #DigitalSovereignty and now some tech bros decide to fork OnlyOffice (which uses Microsofts OOXML as internal format) instead of helping https://www.opendesk.eu/en/about and the Collabora people prefer infighting with The Document Foundation. Le sigh. (slightly exaggerated, but reflects my disappointment)
Steffen Voß@jwildeboer The public sector in Germany just made ODF the standard in their work starting 2027. If EuroOffice aims at the public sector, it will have to support that. It's good that EuroOffice properly supports OOXML. I thinks it's far easier to add ODF now. That will help the public sector to switch.
Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@kaffeeringe @jwildeboer the public sector can use OpenDesk or use what has been setup in Schleswig-Holstein or a mix of it.
@prefec2 Opendesk ist just a very few people with budget problems. Which will now be even more relevant as the money and marketing will be focused on EuroOffice. And the French suite. And whatever the dutch come up with. Divide and conquer instead of joining forces for a unified European solution. It's unfortunately always the same story. @kaffeeringe
Leander Lindahl 🇪🇺
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷@jwildeboer @prefec2 @kaffeeringe The impression I got from (or at least a few of) the people in charge of our (national) digital transformation is that *national* is really a key part of their mindset.
They're not Europeans. They're Germans.
They're very dismissive of even the French efforts, say around Mistral or La Suite. And the French aren't better.
(I wonder if this is Airbus PTSD, or just, well, nationalism. Or the former used to justify the latter.)
@larsmb It's mostly the same players and lobbyists that also tried to push national clouds years ago, so I am not surprised. @prefec2 @kaffeeringe
@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe this is the same rivalry as ever. On a political level they are still national politicians doing natural politics. And in recent years they are more and more interested in their own career more than in their countries well being.
Companies are even worse and then there is in the IT the tendency of "Not invented here syndrome".
@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe essentially it is the same as in leftist group which cannot agree on anything.
@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe however, I do not see this as grim. People, as in Nerds, are working together. So SH and the Austrian army exchange knowledge and share development efforts. Also Zendis is talking with other EU projects. And Mistral is used in Germany.
Also when I read the list of services in EuroOffice, Zendis and the DSAP of SH, there are a lot of similarities. Similar sets of services. Yes, one uses Jitsi and the next OpenTalk and Visio.
@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe as long as they all support different id providers, adressbook integration and integration with the calendar providers e.g. Open-Xchange and/or Nextcloud or proper Interfaces to add this functionality, this is rather good.
The bigger issue is rather that different software products have overlapping functionality. You only need one calendar services, but it has to be able to talk to the mail system and other parts. Yes I want to view the calendar all applications
@larsmb @jwildeboer @kaffeeringe but I want that only one backend service. Thus, Open Source applications must become more modular.
Right now I have a calendar in Nextcloud and I have a calendar in Open-Xchange. However, I cannot fully configure the Nextcloud calendar via OX and vs Versa.
Also this confuses users.