RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

This article is a must read.

An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

@_elena it's a mess that keeps growing, and we will be left to compost it, too much #techshit, and we all start to stink - why would anyone use the #openweb with that bad smell. The last time this happened was the #encryptionists with the #blockchain mess, there is a big overlap with #bluesky
@hamishcampbell I'm getting big EEE vibes from Bluesky - I hope my instinct is wrong

@_elena Sadly, it isn’t - and it’s painfully visible. @evan called this right from the start, and he was right on this.

This is #techshit, spreading a miasma over the #openweb. And when it inevitably fails, the rotting stink will linger, making it even harder for people to take the step they need to take.

@hamishcampbell @_elena

I see three outcomes for Bluesky:

1. They keep working on opening up the ATmosphere.
2. They try to claw back value from the developer ecosystem (FB and Twitter did this in early 2010s).
3. They run out of money and shut down.

Here, "they" means the current corporate entity or an acquirer. If there's another outcome I'm missing, lmk!

@hamishcampbell @_elena

If they stay open and of goodwill indefinitely, awesome. Great for everyone. People I've met and like there, like @mmasnick or @bnewbold.net , seem to want that to happen. 🙏🏼

The clawback scenario usually happens when there's a change of management. I think it's great that when that happened, Toni Schneider took up the CEO job. He's got a good background in Open Source and standards from Automattic.

The big clawback of the early 2010s came when FB and Twitter rolled out advertising as a business model. They needed more control of end user experience to make that viable. So, a big thing to watch for with Bluesky.

@hamishcampbell @_elena

@hamishcampbell @_elena

Running out of money just happens. I think the kind of management decisions that let you make money without cannibalizing the ecosystem are hard to do. I wish the Bluesky team luck in it.

@hamishcampbell @_elena

The biggest danger for the whole open social web is that we put all of our eggs in the Bluesky basket. And if they claw back or collapse, we might not have enough happening outside the blast zone to recover.

@hamishcampbell @_elena

So, I think there are two important things people in the Fediverse movement can do to help with these possible outcomes.

@hamishcampbell @_elena

The first is to keep building on ActivityPub. I love our protocol and our ecosystem, and I think it's a wonderful network. But it's also a necessary hedge against clawback or collapse.

@hamishcampbell @_elena

The second is to encourage all the work making ATproto and the ATmosphere open and independent. Taking the stack to the IETF is great. So is the independent DID corporation. And the patent statement helped a lot. The existence of independent (afaik) *Sky projects like Blacksky, Eurosky, Northsky and Gander are good too.

We can help keep up that momentum with some bridge-building and encouragement from the outside.

@hamishcampbell @_elena the good part is that this is what we should do in the best case scenario, too. So, all worthwhile.
@hamishcampbell @_elena one other thing: bridging is really important for us all right now. It's how we can tell developers to implement ActivityPub and still get access to the BlueSky audience. I hope everyone works to support BridgyFed.
@evan @hamishcampbell @_elena I agree w/ most of this my only issue is the bridging which I avoid most of the time. It always seems low quality and one way. I know threads.net is an activity pub instance within the meta ecosystem but a post from a threads user just seems insanity more natural even though it's one way. When I see a bridged bluesky post it's just a weird one way link that reminds you it's a bridge to bluesky every change it gets. Do they want to participate or what?

@MeaningfulBits

I agree, the smoother and more natural the bridge is, the better.