@Netraven @mcnado

yeah but despite all of the shadow money we can still vote

especially in the primaries coming up

so many elections are decided by such a small percentage

and such a large percentage don't vote

yeah not all of them are leftists but if leftists did show up imagine the difference

the problem is this sort of mindless cynicism, that something is inevitable. it's not

vote, assholes

why would anyone give dark money what it wants by not voting?

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

you don't vote for them

you show up in the primaries and you replace them

the problem is this "dems suck" whine then people don't show up in the primaries out of useless pathetic indolence. so nothing changes

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

this is an inversion of responsibility

if you vote, the party answers to you

if you don't vote, the party answers to dark money and spineless centrists who do vote

if we vote, we may fail. if we don't vote, we *will* fail. so why would you want to define your political consciousness as acceptance of fascism? you understand that is what your cynical "unlikely" is about right? cynicism is acceptance. do you accept fascism? i don't think so. so vote

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

by voting

sitting back and passing your responsibility to dem leadership to magically change is absurdity

i am confused why you think that's a valid position

you mob the primaries, you replace them

proof it works?

mamdani

dem centrists opposed him every step of the way. and yet he won

how?

because people showed the fuck up

you have to change the way you think about the problem

don't depend upon assholes who will never change to change

vote

Asking them to eject a leader who illegally and unconditionally supports a genocidal nation is wanting magic?

This should be the bare minimum to exist as a political party much less a human being.

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity @Netraven @mcnado

if no one on the left shows up, spineless corporatist dems win, because spineless corporatist dems show up to vote

but what you are saying is you want people you know are rotten to the core to suddenly and magically grow a conscience and resign?

rather than, you know, just getting off your ass and voting them out?

that's the way it works

why would you argue against the only way to remove them, and argue for a behavior which ensures their continuing power?

Because that doesn’t work.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/chuck-schumer-resign-democrats-b2720088.html

@benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

It’s like brainwashing. We’ve been voting for ‘the best possible’ Dem candidates for decades and it brought us to this exact moment.

@JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

@Pine_Affinity @JakeKb @benroyce @Netraven @mcnado

Actually, it's because too few people get engaged in the political process THROUGHOUT the year: Organizing to meet with the electeds. Don;t just complain - make specific asks/suggestions. If the electeds are not responsive, find and support people who will run for that office. It starts locally, FFS. That's what the right-wing oligarchs have been funding for decades.

AND it is a matter of talking to all - not just your comfortable circle of like minded good people. Not preaching, talking. Understanding community concerns. And linking policies to common values - not ranting about capitalism in the abstract, but drawing connections between wealth inequality and cost of housing, between oligopolies and low wages, etc.Talking about what would make peoples lives better.

The right has leveraged anger by targeting "them" - raising fears about trans people, about immigrants, "death panels" in healthcare, ... Let's talk about real problems & solutions