"I get that Obsidian was trying to make a parallel to event such as the Wounded Knee Massacre but they made a bit of a mistake by making every exaggerated stereotype and assumption about the victims true, thus justifying the event."

wait till you play honest hearts

"I stopped playing when you find the Ghouls in the metro and didn't play again for 7 years 💀"

honestly fair fo3 subways are great tho

"When Cait wasn't a small Irish femboy that I could equip the dog collar to and call a good boy was when I finally gave up all hope of Fallout 4 being a true RPG"

fo4 is moddable

"How is it not rewarding? It has basically the same system of fallout 3, handplaced unique weapons are always in the same spot. You can go and find late-game gear very early in New Vegas, just like Fallout 3."

i have seen this sentiment a lot and these people did not pay attention to anything in 3 vs nv

fo3 wasteland is alive and mobs interact and this creates chaotic and unexpected environments

in nv every fucking mob is in the same place and heavily leashed. your run is always the same.

3, and to a much larger extent 4, actually has dynamic encounters because of their maps and the way mobs are placed and how the behave

new vegas has none of that, and on top of it nw has barely any dungeons and the dungeons it does has fucking fuck

it's why you can fuck around in fo3 and suddenly a fucking asshole raider is suddenly one shotting you with a missile

fo4 will send everything at you semi-randomly, some motherfucking invisible assaultron, a super mutant suicider, hell let's make it a four way factional warzone in the heart of vertical downtown boston

you get fucking none of that in new vegas

go here. it's brown and flat. there are always these X ants here

go here. there are always these npcs here

the only randomization in nv are patrols, and a handful of scripted encounters if you do specific things

you never end up with a massive ncr/legion/house securitron firefight on the strip

that can't happen in the vanilla game

you can get absolutely (almost?) cross factional combat encounter situation in 3 and 4

you're fighting a yao guai and losing then suddenly a fucking radscorpion pops up outta nowhere and starts attacking the bear

then some random ass raiders join in, shooting everyone

new vegas is like kotor: this guy is always here with this other guy

you can make a straight line gamefaqs walkthrough for it with basically no deviation because it's always the same

and you know what? if you like that kinda gameplay that's fine

just recognize that it's static and not everyone prefers that

the funniest part is new vegas stans are actually split on what "good writing/narrative choices" actually means in the game, esp regarding fo3/4

one camp just repeats it mindlessly and it can mean anything, but usually it means nothing because they wouldn't recognize narrative choice if it bit them in the ass

another camp says something like "sure it's linear but that's just what obsidian does it's still a really good story!"

which is ummm... anyway, how about that info dump dialogue huh

everyone gives the railroad shit for how they operate in fo4 then "legion spies" just makes everything work in nv

infuriating horseshit

fo4 literally airdrops deacon quietly into the background as an observing generic npc to gather intel on you and that's bad writing

but "lEgIoN sPiEs"

and then you actually do the legion quest with silus and find out just how fucking incompetent the legion is even beyond what is presented in the main throughline

"How are you playing New Vegas if half the gameplay happens before you reach the titular city? That’s like the first 5-10 hours."

starting to think the reason they think nv is so great is because they've literally never played any other game

not rpg, just any other video game

honestly i do wonder how true that is

i sure have met a lot of people who've only ever played skyrim lol

there's a reason an (admittedly incredibly toxic bunch, just like new vegas stans) of gamers literally hate nv and love fo1/2

also you can just speech check new vegas even at hoover dam so i dunno what you're on about

"go home you can't win because logistics"
"i see your point have a good day, sorry the game spent so much time hyping me up as an unthinking murder machine anyway"

s-tier writing

hey uhhhh big bad military guy

did you consider military thing?????

new vegas: the batman v superman of fallout games

just the courier screaming MARTHAAAAAAA in lanius' face until he leaves the mojave

the great thing about this conversation tho is this it is literally after the courier cuts their way through the legion assault forces because there's no other way to resolve this (narrative choice!)

so unlike the strip/rep/mark situation... the legion actually sees you fight through their ranks

does the legion, the faction that supposedly glorifies that sort of individual combat prowess and discipline cave to that display? does that factor?

no. you no can enough meatbags

lol lmao

but hey the legate threatens to torture and rape a female courier

11/10 writing praise be to obsidian

"This guy made the best questline in Oblivion and years later went ahead and said games need to be simple and stupid. What happened?"

what happened is you're illiterate that's not what he said

(he said basically unless you spoonfeed a lot of players the content/story they'll miss it. this follows directly from what they learned in fo3/nv: fo3 had a shitton of meandering exploration lore and stuff and most people never knew about it, never sought it out

then new vegas says BULLBEARBULLBEARBULLBEAR and everyone hailed it as the best fucking writing

so... guy has a point, and new vegas stans proved it)

(for the record lots of big game companies eventually figure this shit out, in different ways

shoutout to blizzard being like why are we making massive high end 40m dungeons that only <1% of our playerbase ever steps inside?"

obviously that is a watering down of The True Gaming)

anyway you should go play outer worlds 2

i hear they could use your narrative choice angst and dollarinos

"I just like the funny cowboy game :3"

i know everyone hates caravan but me, but i still like caravan and am sad fo4 doesn't have a card game

yes yes holotapes it's not the same

"I have never seen any of these videos, is there some weird esoteric corner of the internet where people do nothing but shit talk the series?"

there's an entire sub-ecosystem of gamer youtubers who just shit out popular hate videos when the news/release cycle gets low

since the internet hivemind hates fo4 it's an easy target. part of the shift more recently is the show coming out and the new vegas stans coming after 3... because the show brought players into 4/76 and they like the games

even the fo76 hate has died down some because the hardcore fallout lore fans detest the new vegas stans for *drumroll* not knowing any fucking lore

lol

arguably /r/falloutlore, while still extremely charitable to new vegas, was one of the first big "places" to push back hard against people hating 4/76 and that was absolutely for lore reasons

76 is basically the fallout god of lore game at this point

oddly i don't think i've seen ai slop of this... yet

it's all a bunch of white dudes whining about how new vegas is the best game ever and no one understands The White Man and how woke bethesda got

@worthlessbums hah, geez

my take is that Bethesda didn't really understand the setting and so going from FO2 -> 3 was a tonal shift, coupled with the main story being *abysmal* imo

never played NV though so no opinion there 😄

@JoshJers 3 was my first fallout game and i went back to 1 and 2 after 4

i can see why some people bemoan the shift from 1->3, but tonally everything people accuse nuka-world of is just fallout 2

fo2 is the worst fucking fallout game

@worthlessbums I don't remember 2 well enough, tbh

loved the first one (especially once they patched out the "go fuck yourself, game over" time limit), didn't much care for the 3rd one, no memory of 2, didn't play 4

@worthlessbums so what you're telling me is that FO3 made me opt out of playing the good one, and that that's true regardless of whether you agree it's FO4 or New Vegas

that sounds about right lol