"It would work better if the pipe guns were a less nonsense design"

fo4 pipe guns are basically better in every way compared to real life zip/pipe guns made by random dipshits

"Can a Fallout lorebeard confirm whether the raiders have wasteland-melted brains and have lost a lot of their reasoning capacity, because I canโ€™t think of other reasons for them to use pipe weapons over scavenging better guns."

they might not have access to better guns

i don't know why people don't understand this

not everyone walks around with what they want. it's an apocalyptic wasteland dude

on no account let anyone who loves new vegas touch fo5 guns

you're just gonna get a bunch of fucking garands and people will call it the best game

"Fallout modders on their way to make armor for the Minutemen based on every military on the planet and the Fallout universe except the Revolutionary War Minutemen"

in fairness the rw mm weren't that great

idea was good. execution left a lot to be desired

"This is more due to Fallout aesthetic being all over the place. It makes no sense for minutemen in 23rd century to have muskets and dusty trenchcoats with no body armor"

wait till i tell you about ncr rangers wearing gas masks and dusty trenchcoats and armor and favoring fucking revolvers in a fucking desert

the real reason the ncr is losing to the legion: the ncr just turning themselves into heat casualties

"Except China fired first according to the games."

i'm glad everyone downvoted this and they deleted their account lol

"Tim Cain said China launched the bombs."

tim cain is also not in control of fallout canon

somah in fo3 mothership zeta said it best when
honestly even the bos in 76 is... not great
shin was right at the end tho

"Did the bos actually engage in outright warfare with the enclave? I thought they were just subversive. I never beat F2 though I was just a kid that liked collecting guns from encounters."

the only time the bos wins in an outright war war is the east coast bos in fo3 against the enclave

note: have not seen show, have not played fo76 for like 3 years so if something changed there i dunno lol

also i have no idea if the show is canon or alt timeline or what

"Brotherhood technology, training and weaponry is entirely top notch."

new vegas literally shows you the quality of their training lol

granted it's just one bunker...

that said the ncr evidently uses non-powered/motorized scavenged power armor so

not sure what's up with that ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿผ

see it shows superman slow walking toward a minigun but actually what should happen is you get knocked down and you slide X tiles away

"Who bitches before confirming on the wiki anyway? "

fallout (fandom) wiki is bad, pass it on

"The games are filled with unreliable narrators that people somehow think only tell the truth. I think the worst one is the operation anchorage, which people seem to think is accurate to the events of the actual battle. Even tho there is a pre-war terminal entry describing the simulation as โ€œdivorced from realityโ€ due to the copious amount of army propaganda in it."

america gud, china bad

DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE

"Todd should add an intelligent speaking Deathclaw and watch the idiots REALLY melt down"

put 'er in power armor

with a dramatic cloak reveal

"An ar 15 looks out of place in a game where the opening is a 50s style animation."

fake gun guy detected

i do love my chinese assault rifle with the white foregrip tho

"I get that Obsidian was trying to make a parallel to event such as the Wounded Knee Massacre but they made a bit of a mistake by making every exaggerated stereotype and assumption about the victims true, thus justifying the event."

wait till you play honest hearts

"I stopped playing when you find the Ghouls in the metro and didn't play again for 7 years ๐Ÿ’€"

honestly fair fo3 subways are great tho

"When Cait wasn't a small Irish femboy that I could equip the dog collar to and call a good boy was when I finally gave up all hope of Fallout 4 being a true RPG"

fo4 is moddable

"How is it not rewarding? It has basically the same system of fallout 3, handplaced unique weapons are always in the same spot. You can go and find late-game gear very early in New Vegas, just like Fallout 3."

i have seen this sentiment a lot and these people did not pay attention to anything in 3 vs nv

fo3 wasteland is alive and mobs interact and this creates chaotic and unexpected environments

in nv every fucking mob is in the same place and heavily leashed. your run is always the same.

3, and to a much larger extent 4, actually has dynamic encounters because of their maps and the way mobs are placed and how the behave

new vegas has none of that, and on top of it nw has barely any dungeons and the dungeons it does has fucking fuck

it's why you can fuck around in fo3 and suddenly a fucking asshole raider is suddenly one shotting you with a missile

fo4 will send everything at you semi-randomly, some motherfucking invisible assaultron, a super mutant suicider, hell let's make it a four way factional warzone in the heart of vertical downtown boston

you get fucking none of that in new vegas

go here. it's brown and flat. there are always these X ants here

go here. there are always these npcs here

the only randomization in nv are patrols, and a handful of scripted encounters if you do specific things

you never end up with a massive ncr/legion/house securitron firefight on the strip

that can't happen in the vanilla game

you can get absolutely (almost?) cross factional combat encounter situation in 3 and 4

you're fighting a yao guai and losing then suddenly a fucking radscorpion pops up outta nowhere and starts attacking the bear

then some random ass raiders join in, shooting everyone

new vegas is like kotor: this guy is always here with this other guy

you can make a straight line gamefaqs walkthrough for it with basically no deviation because it's always the same

and you know what? if you like that kinda gameplay that's fine

just recognize that it's static and not everyone prefers that

you don't understand nv is the best game best writing best story makes 9000% sense

the funniest part is new vegas stans are actually split on what "good writing/narrative choices" actually means in the game, esp regarding fo3/4

one camp just repeats it mindlessly and it can mean anything, but usually it means nothing because they wouldn't recognize narrative choice if it bit them in the ass

another camp says something like "sure it's linear but that's just what obsidian does it's still a really good story!"

which is ummm... anyway, how about that info dump dialogue huh

narrative choice is when hanlon talks for ten minutes while you get to click on various dialogue options that makes him repeat what he just said but slightly differently like a fucking 2026 youtube ai video

everyone gives the railroad shit for how they operate in fo4 then "legion spies" just makes everything work in nv

infuriating horseshit

fo4 literally airdrops deacon quietly into the background as an observing generic npc to gather intel on you and that's bad writing

but "lEgIoN sPiEs"

and then you actually do the legion quest with silus and find out just how fucking incompetent the legion is even beyond what is presented in the main throughline

"How are you playing New Vegas if half the gameplay happens before you reach the titular city? Thatโ€™s like the first 5-10 hours."

starting to think the reason they think nv is so great is because they've literally never played any other game

not rpg, just any other video game

honestly i do wonder how true that is

i sure have met a lot of people who've only ever played skyrim lol

there's a reason an (admittedly incredibly toxic bunch, just like new vegas stans) of gamers literally hate nv and love fo1/2

also you can just speech check new vegas even at hoover dam so i dunno what you're on about

"go home you can't win because logistics"
"i see your point have a good day, sorry the game spent so much time hyping me up as an unthinking murder machine anyway"

at least in fo1 you needed evidence for that dialogue option

s-tier writing

hey uhhhh big bad military guy

did you consider military thing?????

new vegas: the batman v superman of fallout games

just the courier screaming MARTHAAAAAAA in lanius' face until he leaves the mojave

the great thing about this conversation tho is this it is literally after the courier cuts their way through the legion assault forces because there's no other way to resolve this (narrative choice!)

so unlike the strip/rep/mark situation... the legion actually sees you fight through their ranks

does the legion, the faction that supposedly glorifies that sort of individual combat prowess and discipline cave to that display? does that factor?

no. you no can enough meatbags

lol lmao

but hey the legate threatens to torture and rape a female courier

11/10 writing praise be to obsidian

"This guy made the best questline in Oblivion and years later went ahead and said games need to be simple and stupid. What happened?"

what happened is you're illiterate that's not what he said

(he said basically unless you spoonfeed a lot of players the content/story they'll miss it. this follows directly from what they learned in fo3/nv: fo3 had a shitton of meandering exploration lore and stuff and most people never knew about it, never sought it out

then new vegas says BULLBEARBULLBEARBULLBEAR and everyone hailed it as the best fucking writing

so... guy has a point, and new vegas stans proved it)

(for the record lots of big game companies eventually figure this shit out, in different ways

shoutout to blizzard being like why are we making massive high end 40m dungeons that only <1% of our playerbase ever steps inside?"

obviously that is a watering down of The True Gaming)

i just wanna let you know that because of this thread youtube recommended me AN EIGHT AND A HALF HOUR VIDEO ON WHY FALLOUT 4 IS BAD?

anyway you should go play outer worlds 2

i hear they could use your narrative choice angst and dollarinos

"I just like the funny cowboy game :3"

i know everyone hates caravan but me, but i still like caravan and am sad fo4 doesn't have a card game

yes yes holotapes it's not the same

"I have never seen any of these videos, is there some weird esoteric corner of the internet where people do nothing but shit talk the series?"

there's an entire sub-ecosystem of gamer youtubers who just shit out popular hate videos when the news/release cycle gets low

since the internet hivemind hates fo4 it's an easy target. part of the shift more recently is the show coming out and the new vegas stans coming after 3... because the show brought players into 4/76 and they like the games

even the fo76 hate has died down some because the hardcore fallout lore fans detest the new vegas stans for *drumroll* not knowing any fucking lore

lol

arguably /r/falloutlore, while still extremely charitable to new vegas, was one of the first big "places" to push back hard against people hating 4/76 and that was absolutely for lore reasons

76 is basically the fallout god of lore game at this point

as a general rule they also don't suffer the "legion has safer roads" fools lightly, unlike almost every other fallout sub

oddly i don't think i've seen ai slop of this... yet

it's all a bunch of white dudes whining about how new vegas is the best game ever and no one understands The White Man and how woke bethesda got

(yes, a lot of the fucking new vegas love online is literally from the anti-bethesda, anti-woke crowd, hyperfash crowd. who woulda thought)

no, new vegas has few dungeons and they're all designed like shit somehow it's actually impressive

vault 22 does have an elevator you can repair, but you might not be able to. it's also buggy af and sometimes you can get various gamebreaking bugs

that said she does repair the elevator unless she dies which is a quick way through the floors

i love all the comments of rpg elements and "just fix the elevator"

not all builds have the skill to repair anything, much less the elevator

it's almost like you don't know what it's like playing through nv different ways... ๐Ÿค”

they're not 100% at fault here, tho, prolly

new vegas has a dogshit build system and most early level builds are gonna be close to exactly the same anyway because of how many specials points you get and how the perk unlock funnel is

there's a reason people joke about 1 charisma 100 speech
@worthlessbums ...I've only seen New Vegas in the context of the trans community of it being one of the Trans Cornerstone games for some reason. (something something if you're trans, it's likely your favorite fallout). So seeing this is an alien concept to me
@avarisclari it's just a big internet meme at this point

@worthlessbums hah, geez

my take is that Bethesda didn't really understand the setting and so going from FO2 -> 3 was a tonal shift, coupled with the main story being *abysmal* imo

never played NV though so no opinion there ๐Ÿ˜„

@JoshJers 3 was my first fallout game and i went back to 1 and 2 after 4

i can see why some people bemoan the shift from 1->3, but tonally everything people accuse nuka-world of is just fallout 2

fo2 is the worst fucking fallout game

@worthlessbums I don't remember 2 well enough, tbh

loved the first one (especially once they patched out the "go fuck yourself, game over" time limit), didn't much care for the 3rd one, no memory of 2, didn't play 4

@worthlessbums Bethesda games don't tend to be my jam anyway (not into Elder Scrolls and I gave Starfield a chance and was ultimately left hollow) so it's maybe just a me thing
@JoshJers didn't play starfield. not a fan of morrowind but love daggerfall and skyrim. fallout 4 best game