NerdNextDoor Mar 28

EDIT: This might be a better idea. https://mastodon.social/@mrmasterkeyboard/116309403462425727

FUCK IT, let's just fucking fork OpenSolaris's last code. Best way to get away from AI/LLMs.

It's already written for us, it's a good OS and kernel and honestly it's an awesome relic of computing.

cc: @thing

Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 28

@thing or something like that, forking another OS without any AI stuff is the best option instead of writing our own from scratch. That would take years. Sure, both options are fun but one is less painful from my experience.

Doesn't have to be OpenSolaris but it's one of the best options we have. I don't exactly want to pull an EVi on FreeBSD or any of the others currently.

Show threadcloudskaterMar 28

@thing @mrmasterkeyboard

Wait, wait… there are still other BSD things right? I've never used any of them but I know there's a handful. And if you're gonna fork a kernel, why not just fork Linux itself from a while ago or something?

Show threadthe thing Mar 28
@[email protected] @mrmasterkeyboard the bsd's exchange code quite often.
Show threadthe thing Mar 28
@[email protected] @mrmasterkeyboard also, he's not just forking a kernel; he's forking a whole operating system. kernel space AND user space.
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 28
@thing @cloudskater Honestly, userspace is just as susceptible to AI from upstreams. We'd have to rip that out and make our own maybe unless we're willing to take a risk there.
Show threadcloudskaterMar 28

@thing @mrmasterkeyboard

You should not have to dig this hard to get something that's for sure not tainted by AI. Devs shouldn't be so willing to use it. It's insane.

Sorry I keep repeating the same point but like, it makes. no. FUCKING. SENSE. AUGH ACK- sorry, hairball.

Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 28

@cloudskater @thing This is why I fucking hate my life and the entire world right now.

Fuck everything.

I SHOULD BE WORRYING IF MY HARDWARE DIES NOT IF THE PROJECT IS FUCKING THE PLANET OVER-

Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 28
@cloudskater @thing Making our own kernel and creating an OS on top of it either using projects that are committed to not using AI or allowing it outright or writing our own utils and apps on it is probably our best option right now because we can design things to best fit what people need and also know how it all works instead of being stuck with a codebase we potentially can't understand fast enough.
Show threadNerdNextDoor Mar 28

@cloudskater @thing You know what, fuck it. I'm coming out of my emotional spiral. I've got motivation, I've got fury, I've got destruction in me.

We need to do something. I don't care how hopeless this shit is, we need to fabricate some hope to make real hope. We need to do something, create our way out.

Show threadSteven Reed5d ago
@mrmasterkeyboard @cloudskater @thing is it worth at least considering using bits of Asterinas or Redox? (Though I haven't double-checked their AI stance recently) Completely bootstrapping from scratch would be a hell of a lot of work. I suppose another option might be to identify specific use cases, and then target specific hardware (RPis or similar?) that could e.g. run small-ish self-hosted services ..
Show threadNerdNextDoor 5d ago
@srtcd424 @cloudskater @thing
They use Rust, which uses LLVM which has AI slop apparently now, not to mention they also write their posts with AI:
https://mastodon.social/@mrmasterkeyboard/116315003098836941
Show threadSteven Reed
@mrmasterkeyboard
Oh. Ugh. I hadn't thought about language toolchains as an issue. Hare maybe? Drew is pretty militant. I do wonder what degree of purity is actually viable though, the taint is spreading incredibly fast :(
@cloudskater @thing
Mar 30 at 12:42pmWeb
Show threadNerdNextDoor 5d ago
@srtcd424 @cloudskater @thing Rest assured, it won’t spread to PA.
Show threadSteven Reed5d ago
@mrmasterkeyboard @cloudskater @thing Hare uses qbe instead of llvm, that might solve a problem? https://c9x.me/compile/ Not that I've investigated qbe closely :)
QBE - Compiler Backend