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The VergeThere is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series https://www.theverge.com/report/901818/hbo-harry-potter-jk-rowling-transphobia
Winston Smith@verge there is no unethical consumption of anything
Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)@jaredwhite @verge in my opinion nothing can be unethical to consume. Granted the viewer understands the implications and context of the content. I agree: being informed is the key.
🏝️えいすま・EigoSmash 🇨🇦@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge I still think you're not realizing your mistake. Like how is, for example, consuming CP not unethical? Are you sure you don't mean "nothing can be ethical," if the viewer understands the implications?
@koh_kun @jaredwhite @verge I don't know what's cp. But we are talking about public / commercial content here
@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge even if we're limiting it to public, commercial content, how can nothing be unethical? Propaganda? Fake news? Plagiarism? Exploitation?
@koh_kun @jaredwhite @verge In my opinion you mix a ton of categorically different things to build a faux connection between terms. See, this thread is about The Verge's article. Don't go much further
@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge so then why expand the scope by saying "anything," instead of "this specific series in the Verge article"?
@koh_kun @jaredwhite @verge because in my opinion people should not be so overly literal. There's always the context. Now it's explained anyway
Jean (*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.ﾟ@[email protected] @koh_kun @jaredwhite @verge @zeblarson
And yet you were and even ventured on the generalisation by using absolutes.
And yet you were and even ventured on the generalisation by using absolutes.
divVerent@koh_kun @dm29 @jaredwhite @verge If you are working for the FBI and have to "consume" the CP to find out who is depicted and where it takes place so the victim can be helped and the perpetrator is caught - I guess that would be ethical. Poor people who have to do that though, I heard this is one of the most psychologically damaging jobs there is.
But everything has to be seen in context.
Ariaflame@ariaflame @jaredwhite @verge maybe you did. I'm just talking about common movies, books, series et cetera
@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge But beyond the scope of the verge article on a particular series where the person profiting from it is using those profits to target other people and hurt them. So if you give money to that then you are choosing to hurt those people. Personally I find that unethical. But you claim there is no unethical consumption. But I guess I have a more developed sense of ethics.
s1m0n4@ariaflame @dm29 @jaredwhite @verge you're quite surely typing from a device manufactured under work-force exploiting conditions and you're likely to own clothes manufactured through child labor somewhere in Bangladesh.
Not to mention the implications of electronics waste disposal in some poor African countries, spreading cancer through the local population.
Is that ethical for you? Where do you draw the line exactly ? And why is your line more ethical than someone else's?
Not to mention the implications of electronics waste disposal in some poor African countries, spreading cancer through the local population.
Is that ethical for you? Where do you draw the line exactly ? And why is your line more ethical than someone else's?
Luna 
"Other bad shit happens. Therefore you can't comment on bad shit happening."
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@ariaflame @dm29 @jaredwhite @verge OK so please explain to me how consuming Harry Potter is unethical.
@liohn @ariaflame @dm29 @verge folks, look at this profile's (extremely recent) history. troll account. no reply necessary.
@dm29 @ariaflame @jaredwhite @verge Japan is producing public and commercial content some people consider CP. Is consuming that now ethical or not?
Zeb Larson@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge Just to be clear -- would child pornography be unethical to consume? Nazi literature? I'm not talking about the latter from a scholarly perspective or something, I mean "consuming" The Eternal Jew for its own sake.
@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge Wait, you agree that it's unethical? I'm sorry, but if you say "nothing is unethical to consume" people will walk away thinking that you're being literal, not "most things are fine" and I'm trying to figure out exactly where you stand.
@zeblarson @jaredwhite @verge this is about The Verge's piece. If someone does the very worst possible interpretation or makes an overly literal read maybe the issue lies with that reader. Does not matter the comment could be more specific. Not disrespect intended
@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge well, words matter. But in any event I disagree with even your more narrow premise. Rowling is personally bankrolling transphobic charities and giving her money to do so just enables her to keep doing that, or at the bare minimum signals being fine with that.
@zeblarson @jaredwhite @verge You should not judge the motives you think someone else might have. Not without asking first, at least. There are many reasons for doing something that you might not have considered. Be careful not to become more intolerant and narrow-minded than those you so lightly evaluate. With all due respect.
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Jay@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge So, I do understand wanting to move from a binary ethical/unethical view into a more nuanced, want vs. need/burden to abstain and degree/likelihood of harm and how directly a given action leads to said harm, but I don’t agree that simple awareness and acceptance is enough, especially when that harm is a direct result of the action AND it compounds with other harms at the time,
@dm29 @jaredwhite @verge as is the case with Rowling’s revenue from her works getting funneled into anti-trans movements at a time when governmental efforts are also turned toward anti-trans oppression. People must push back any way they can when civil rights are being eroded, and that should involve shaming of others for contributing to that harm.
@WhiteCatTamer @dm29 @jaredwhite @verge Now this raises an interesting question. Will more money be funnelled into anti-trans movements by buying a book by a _British_ author (as evil as she may be), or by buying literally anything from a US company and thereby causing US taxes to be paid?
Of course, even better would be buying _none_ of that. But given the context is a US TV station, the person this is about is in the US, so one should actually think how to use money in a way to least benefit the Insane Trumpists.
Aaron Vegh@verge Thank you for saying this ✊
Jonas 
@verge add in the fascist Ellisons and the Paramount-WB merger as a factor, too.
Klaus Frank@verge Oh yea right, they made a V2 of the Star Wars ripoff with sucky lightsabers.
Comparison: https://www.tiktok.com/@djhuntsofficial/video/7079146252872699182?lang=en
Magnus Ahltorp@agowa338 If you think that’s the reason not to watch it, you’re missing the point completely.
(And if you judge culture solely on whether it’s a ”ripoff”, I have some bad news about Star Wars)
scrottie (he/him/them)@verge Betcha they just made it even more overtly eugenicist and classist. That still image looks like some Ayn Rand "behold the glory of the empire" bullshit.
John Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺"There is no ethical consumption of HBO’s Harry Potter series
J.K. Rowling has made it abundantly clear that she will continue using her fortune to harm [transgender] people." (typo in lede)
I can only hope that HBO pays the cast and crew, sees each episode downloaded once, and everyone else just shares that copy.
It's not legal nor ethical, though perhaps somewhat less unethical.
I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑🔥@xinit @johnlogic @verge To be fair, I wouldn't even pirate _anything_ that came out in the last 10 to 20 years on TV or cinema... it all went down.
@divVerent
Sure, but I'd say that's a matter of taste more than ethics.
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Darwin Woodka@verge No consumption of the Verge either since it won't take down the paywall
webshinra@verge Well I mean, every means, that's why bittorrent and many alternative exist.
And that's very ethical in such cases.
paramilitary organizer@webshinra @verge no, actually, putting terf shit in your brain is not ethical
@t54r4n1 @verge On the second part: putting anything I want in my brain is my choice, the alternative is pretty ugly.
Secondly, Harry Potter as books where not terf shit, and (probably non-volontary) say some encouraging stuff about self détermination.
I won't presume what will be done next, but the horrible person the author have become does not change retrospectively the stuff she wrote before.
@webshinra try reading it again and seeing if you notice the antisemitism this time. or Dobby, the happy slave
@t54r4n1 I did that, and saw that (the antisemitism is arguable, the happy slave not) and many other stuff, thanks. I would not recommand my nephew to read those, and for reason far worse in my eyes than those two points.
So please, don't tell my what media is ethical to watch, which is a very different point than contributing to their economy/popularity.