Show threadPhil StookeMar 9

The Lunar Base Synthesis Study was done by North American Rockwell for NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in 1971.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19710016381/downloads/19710016381.pdf

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19710016382/downloads/19710016382.pdf

(there are other sections too). 7 large regions were identified, and in each a base site and potential traverses were shown on maps. It is covered in Part 4 of the Moon Chronicle. The scale of exploration and the cost would never have been feasible at the time - or even now. Here is an example.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 10
In 1988 the Advanced Programs Office at the Johnson Space Center described a concept called Lunar Outpost. They found 4 sites: Lacus Veris in the Orientale basin, the south pole, the Apollo 17 landing site region and Mare Nubium. Astronauts would use rovers to explore long distances around the site. Another version of this called First Lunar Outpost would put a base in Mare Smythii, right on the limb at 90 east. It would service an observatory on the farside.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 10
This outpost site at 90 east is just visible from Earth about half the time. However, librations (an apparent wobbling of the Moon caused by variations in its elliptical and tilted orbit) would hide this outpost site from Earth periodically. To remedy this a communication site 300 km further west would always be visible from Earth. The map also shows rover traverses out into cratered regions beyond the dark plains of Mare Smythii.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 11
We have seen a few examples of possible future lunar exploration activities, some more feasible than others. There were more... check out the Moon Chronicle. But what was really needed was a new survey of interesting lunar sites, making use of the Apollo results. The mid-80s is too early for the new datasets like those of Lunar Prospector which began to reveal new locations of interest and surface compositions, so Apollo was the main source of ideas...
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 11
Mark Cintala chose some sites for a long rover traverse - seen a few days ago. Veteran USGS geologist and site selection specialist Don Wilhelms chose a number of sites, seen on this map, for future sample returns. These could be robotic or human missions, but either would give valuable results for understanding the Moon. It's odd to me that he didn't include Ina, the prototypical 'irregular mare patch' which was known to him.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 11
Here is a table of Wilhelms' sites giving a bit more information, straight from the Chronicle. Talking of Ina, we are starting to get suggestions for landing sites for Chinese astronauts and I fully expect that either Ina itself or a more equatorial example like the Maskelyne IMP could make the list as it develops. I will be covering this subject later in this set of posts.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 12
Graham Ryder of LPI put out a bigger list of sample return sites in 1989 (this one does have Ina in it, no. 46 on the map). The map shows reconnaissance sites for robotic landers a bit more capable than Luna 24, and intensive field study sites for either landed crews or sophisticated telerobotics. I won't post the 2 tables for these lists, but they are in Chronicle part 7. The point about these lists is that they form a foundation for later site studies.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 13
New ideas about lunar bases or outposts arose in the 1990s. JSC sponsored 2 workshops in mid-1990 about 'A Site Selection Strategy for a Lunar Outpost'. It came up with 6 sites for an outpost. This illustration shows the six sites (plus another at the north pole from a different source) and 2 of them shown in more detail. Various science targets were identified around each base or outpost (they are listed in the Chronicle).
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 13
Here are the other 4 outpost sites from the 1990 study. One of them in Riccioli crater has some rover traverse routes mapped. All of them have science targets around them. This is all pre-LRO and does not identify sites we might look at now. For instance the previous post showed Mare Tranquillitatis and Mare Ingenii, both of which contain skylights (collapsed portions of roofed-over lava tubes) giving access to caves, a hot topic today but unknown in 1990.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 14
In 1989 President George H. W. Bush proposed a long range plan for NASA which became the Space Exploration Initiative, involving the Sopace Sration, a return to the Moon ('this time, back to stay') and then to Mars. Its cost was excessive and it faded away quite quickly. The next President Bush had his own proposal in 2004 which was known as the Vision for Space Exploration. It had the same basic goals and this time it survived long enough for quite a bit of planning...
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 14

One of the early products of the Vision was a NASA report:

NASA 2005. NASA’s exploration systems architecture study, final report. NASA-TM-2005-214062, November
2005.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2012/ph241/copeland1/docs/140649main_ESAS_full.pdf

The Exploration Systems Architecture Study (ESAS) identified ten sites as potential exploration targets, as shown in this map. You might suppose that this would be the result of long and careful consideration. Not really.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 14
Paul Spudis, who put the list of sites together, told me that it came from the big lists of Don Wilhelms and Graham Ryder, plus the six Lunar Outpost sites already discussed. From them, these 10 ESAS sites were chosen so provide a global distribution and to sample a variety of terrain types and interesting sites. This was done quickly to get something ready for the report, and later studies soon added other sites. We will look at some of them next.
Show threadPhil StookeMar 15
Here is a bit more detail on the ESAS lunar exploration sites. Today the emphasis is on the south pole, but ESAS suggested a series of landings in other places. We call missions like that 'sorties'. Apollo was all sorties, but they did, early on, consider a fixed base instead, though not at the pole. Vision planning was a mix of sorties and a south polar base or outpost. Here are 6 sortie sites. No. 4, Bode, has been suggested for a Chinese crewed landing.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 15
Here are the remaining 4 ESAS sites. I am a bit puzzled by the Aristarchus site shown in he previous post. It's on top of a highland block without easy access to Aristarchus crater or Schroter's Valley, two major features of interest. The reason for that specific place eludes me. Most places shown in the literature for a landing here put it down below the highland where pyroclastics, young crater ejecta and young mare basalts are easy to reach.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 16

ESAS also thought about a fixed outpost site where infrastructure would be built up over many landings - like what we now call Artemis Base Camp. The Lunar Architecture Team in 2006 proposed a site on the rim of Shackleton crater at the south pole:

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/strategies/NASALunarArchitecture/dale_12_06.pdf

Here is their initial proposal for an outpost layout from that presentation. This is before LRO. The poles were poorly mapped and you can see here the pole was mislocated by about 3.5 km.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 16
The location of the pole is only part of the problem. The actual strip of ground with prolonged illumination is very narrow, not at all as shown here. Take the landing zone: half of it is actually on the inner wall of Shackleton, far too steep to allow a landing. The other half, by bad luck, is mostly occupied by a crater not seen in older data. The resources (ice) would probably be sought elsewhere, not along the sunlit upper slope of the crater wall. But it's a start.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 17
The habitation and power site on the previous map is enlarged here - taken from the same presentation I linked to yesterday. Sadly, the author forgot to note how many football fields it covered so it's not to scale. I have placed it on an arbitrary bit of Moon in the approximate location of the outpost. Habitats, solar power plants, rovers etc. would be built up over a period of a decade or so.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 17
What if you didn't want to go to the pole? Jennifer Heldmann of NASA Ames mapped the various sites suggested by RYder and Wilhelms and identified a site which would give access to the most targets of interest. That puts it near Prinz crater in Mare Imbrium, as shown here. Others have suggested the Aristarchus Plateau not far from there for its possible in situ resource potential. Next I will look at a few more rover traverse suggesdtions.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 18
Oops, before we get to more traverses, here is another set of global targets - we have this tension between a polar outpost and sorties to many sites. Pamela Clark (then of Goddard, now at Morehead) presented a list of ranked targets to the 8th meeting of the Lunar Exploration Science Working Group on 28 June 2007. The Vision for Space Exploration didn't get beyond this problem. Here is a map.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 18
And here is a table summarizing those targets. This is from my Chronicle, section 8, which is still in progress.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 19

I posted a map of 10 ESAS sites earlier. They were only examples of potential sites of interest but the map was often taken as definitive. Here are two suggestions from 2007 on how they might fit into a long-term plan:

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/leag2007/presentations/20071004.wilcox.pdf

- near the end. The first idea is the use of a mobile habitat plus other equipment (power etc). It's pre-landed at one ESAS site, used by a crew, and then spends a year or so driving to the next, operated from Earth.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 19
The map of the route in that presentation is a horrible sketch but I have made it more realistic. Another map earlier in the presentation shows 4 geophysical network nodes (Mike Gernhardt described them in more detail elsewhere). They form a typical network pattern, 3 nodes around a strong seismic source found by Apollo, plus one at its antipode so signals pass through the lunar core. 2 are at ESAS sites, the other 2 are new locations.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 20
Back to the south pole. An example of a 900 km, 7 day sortie from the polar outpost was described by Mike Gernhardt in 2007. 4 crew would travel in two pressurized rovers, in cabins lined with ice for radiation protection and thermal control. In the event of a rover failure, all 4 could travel back in the other rover. 6 sites would be examined during 3.25 hour EVAs, three per rover, in pairs close together in areas shown here.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 20
The sortie proponents had lots of great sites to visit - Marius Hills, Aristarchus, Bode, Orientale... In comparison the south pole looked very bland except for the possibility of ice and other frozen goodies. Those EVA sites seem rather arbitrary, not very special. The map uses the name Constellation, which I forgot to mention earlier. It was NASA's program to achieve the goals of the Vision for Space Exploration laid out by the President.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 21
There were many presentations at meetings during 2008 about possible sortie missions for the Constellation program. We will look at a few before we say goodbye to this round of studies. Here are several by Pam Clark, who was very busy on plans like this at the time. These are all on the farside in the giant South Pole-Aitken basin, which was finally starting to be understood. Clementine showed it clearly for the first time in its global topography data in 1994.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 21
Clark mapped very long traverses, up to thousands of km long. One map includes an outpost site near Bose crater. The third map indicates 'Olivine Hill', shown in orbital data to have an unusual composition. It might include material from below the lunar crust, excavated by the massive impact which formed the basin or erupted as lava (it looks a bit like a volcanic plateau). It has been of interest ever since, and is currently given the informal name Mons Marguerite.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 22
These sites were not all on the far side. Here are some more from Pam Clark. We have one at the south pole - part of the last set, really - but the main set of traverses here is in Oceanus Procellarum. At lower left is a modifiedl detail from the larger one showing part of a route around the Aristarchus Plateau. Other long drives visit points of scientific interest, and this is a very target-rich region of the Moon.
Show threadPhil StookeMar 23
A final pair of non-polar sortie scenarios from the Constellation period - there were lots of others. These were presented by Laurie Leshin (Goddard) and Gordon Johnston (NASA) at a Planetary Science Subcommittee meeting in October 2008. The top map shows multiple traverses on the floor of Tsiolkovskiy crater on the farside. The lower map shows Alphonsus on the nearside. The latter set were done in pairs by 2 teams with a chance of help if problems arose.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 23
The Alphonsus map shows a visit to the impact site of Ranger 9. We have never had a human or robotic visit to a spacecraft impact site like that, though the idea has been suggested before. An impactor might be used to expose fresh material from a shallow depth for analysis. I would like to see one of the Apollo Lunar Module ascent stage impact sites, which look very unusual in LRO images, long troughs cut into the surface by an oblique impact rather than circular craters.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 24
John Gruener of JSC presented details of planning by the Constellation Architecture Team-Lunar at the LEAG meeting in 2008. Would NASA build an outpost or do sorties to different places? A bit of both. Each year 2 or 3 flights with crew and cargo would add to the outpost and allow progressively longer surface stays. In addition, sorties would be flown to unspecified locations every 2 years or so. Long surface traverses from the outpost would explore the region bit by bit, as we will see.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 24

Here is a map of Gruener's thoughts about surface exploration around the pole. This is much less ambitious than the 1000 km plus routes we have been looking at, but still a lot more than I can imagine from Artemis in the next decade or two. Look at the timeline here - first excursion in 2019, going up to 2022. The plan extended up to 2026 but would continue beyond that.

Remember all this planning preceded LRO, but as it approached launch some new ideas arose - see them tomorrow!
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 25
LRO, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, was designed specifically to help choose and characterize Constellation landing sites in its first year of operation, before being passed to the science side of NASA where it has been ever since. But which sites would it look at in that year? The Constellation Program Office combined the lists we have already looked at and sifted them to produce a list of 50 sites (and soon added a few more). This little map shows their locations.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 25
For each site they produced a map showing square areas 10, 20 and 40 km across around the target of interest. The middle square got the best data coverage (full stereo imaging) and the surrounding areas got the best coverage thy could manage in the time. LRO went on to image the entire Moon under multiple lighting angles (though not all in stereo) but expectations were lower at first. Here is a typical set of these target maps (the full set is in Moon Chronicle part 8).
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 25
Naturally after this, much of the planning focused on those sites. Strictly speaking these were for planning purposes, exploring surface slopes and roughness etc. for a wide range of terrain types to help plan landers and rovers. But inevitably they were also regarded as semi-official landing targets. Eventually LRO vastly outperformed expectations and in the new global data many new targets were found as well. You might suppose that Constellation had a rosy future... but no.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 26
LRO launched in June 2008. 8 months later, bowing to economic reality, President Obama called an end to Constellation. The plans I have illustrated came to nothing at the time. But they form a foundation from which new plans can grow, and indeed we are now in a new phase of mission planning. Events in just the last week are enough to give the most seasoned observer whiplash... but they don't really change the landing site planning I will look at next. We will start with Artemis tomorrow.
Show threadPhil StookeMar 27
On to Artemis. Constellation planning didn't end where I stopped it here - studies already done go on to be written up for a while afterwards. Other studies continue - it's a full time job just trying to keep up. Eventually they become studies for the new program. From the beginning Artemis had as its main focus the south pole, so here are some sites from the Artemis Science Definition Team 'townhall' in October 2020. A mix of high illumination and access to volatiles sites.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 27
The arguments for polar sites are well known, but to summarize - a few very small points on hills and ridges offer prolonged illumination, breaking the tyranny of the 2-week lunar night to some extent. There are no 'peaks of eternal light' but there are places where sunlight is available uninterrupted for several months at a time. Nearby, crater floors which never see the sun may trap and preserve volatiles like water, carbon dioxide and other substances, a possible resource.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 28
I want to emphasize just how different Artemis will be compared with Apollo. This map shows the Apollo sites, and it is surprising to some that Apollo sites span such a small area of the Moon. That's partly because maps of the sites often use an orthographic map projection which exaggerates the middle of the disk and foreshortens (and so shrinks) the edges. This is an equidistant (nearly but not quite equal area) projection which shows the situation more realistically.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 28
Here is a nice view of the south pole - a map of illumination conditions draped over topography. There is some vertical exaggeration but I don't have a number for it. Dark areas get very little or no sunlight at all. Bright patches - mostly very small strips on peaks and crater rims - get a lot of light, as much as about 75-80% of a lunar day in a very few places. The relief here exceeds Mt. Everest in height. Not your grandad's Moon (I speak as a grandad).
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 29
The Artemis Science Definition Team settled on a south polar target for Artemis. In early 2022 lunar scientists drew up a list of 27 candidate landing regions in the south polar part of the Moon, from the pole to 84 degrees south. This map shows them. Some with numbers are from earlier studies. The others are identified by the initials of the people who proposed them (NP: Noah Petro, SL: Sam Lawrence, DM: Dan Moriarty and so on). There is some overlap with the previous set.
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Show threadPhil Stooke
These are candidate landing regions, not landing sites. A site is the actual place a landing might occur and each of these landing regions could contain multiple landing sites. This somewhat mirrors the Apollo experience of site selection. Note too - most of these are on relatively well-illuminated ridges or peaks, but a few like NPB in Amundsen crater are near permanent shadows in places where a week or so of sunlight is enough for a landing mission.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 30
Later in 2022 a reduced set of 13 candidate regions appeared, with new names. This map will be more familiar to most people than the previous one. Again, each region could contain multiple landing sites, so work soon began to identify some of them. Note the name Leibnitz Beta Plateau. Now we call it Mons Mouton. Where does the name Leibnitz Beta come from? Leibnitz crater is far away on the farside, so there is no direct connection. This goes back to the mid-19th Century...
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 30
... when the limb areas were being studied. Large peaks on the southern limb were called the Leibnitz Mountains and Beta was one of those peaks. The mountain range as a whole does not have an official name today but some of the peaks have been given names recently: Mons Mouton, Mons Malapert, Mons Cabeus and (more on the farside) Mons Kocher. Lunar nomenclature is constantly evolving, and Quickmap offers a good way to keep up with it.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 31
2022 also saw many studies of specific landing sites and activities which might be undertaken at them. These show up in journal papers and in conference abstracts and presentations, often 20 or 30 in a year (not all for Artemis). I am trying to record as many as I can find in my Chronicle. Here is an example from LPSC in 2022, on a much-studied site called the Connecting Ridge. It runs between Shackleton and de Gerlache craters. The map shows several points suggested around this time.
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Show threadPhil StookeMar 31
That map shows several crater names, none of them official. The Apollo crews named features at their sites to make it easier to refer to them (and it's nicer than having to say Crater X or Hill 7). They were unofficial at the time but were made official later. These names (inspired by the Shackleton expedition) come from the LROC team, I think, and they are on Quickmap. This is the site with most of these names but a few are starting to creep in elsewhere.
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Show threadPhil StookeApr 1
Here is another idea about activities starting at the same place as the previous map, the ridge between Shackleton and de Gerlache craters. This time it is a long traverse requiring a rover, divided into sections of increasing difficulty and risk. There are some more unofficial names - James Caird was the small boat Shackleton used for his almost unbelievable rescue mission (itself named after a sponsor of the expedition).
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Show threadPhil Stooke6d ago
In 2024 the set of 13 early Artemis landing regions was reduced from 13 to 9 for Artemis 3 (then expected to be the first landing). This is not really correct - the 13 regions were reduced to 6 and 3 new ones were added. This map shows them. You can see that the older regions closer to the pole are almost all dropped (don't worry - this was for the first landing, later landings still get the full set). Two of the new ones are at about 84 south. Why?
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Show threadPhil Stooke6d ago

Being at lower latitude (84 instead of 89) gives a higher sun angle which might be easier to cope with. Also Earth is above the horizon for longer periods. This makes more dates available for landings, so there is more program flexibility.

Notice that one area is much bigger than the rest - Mons Mouton Plateau (Leibnitz Beta). It is c. 50 by 100 km and was the site for Intuitive Machines 2 and will be for VIPER and Chandrayaan 4. I think it is likely to be the first Artemis site too.
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Show threadPhil Stooke6d ago
Here's a happy fellow. This is Jack Schmitt in his Lunar Module, on the Moon, so he has good reason to be happy. But he is not so happy about the Artemis sites. Jack is still very active, presenting at conferences, writing papers, trying to understand his landing site. In 2020, in a Lunar Surface Science Workshop, he said the first new landing needed an easier target - a non-polar target. Then he set about suggesting potential candidates.
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Show threadPhil Stooke6d ago
This is Schmitt's first suggestion from LPSC in 2023, a crater on the rim of Clavius at about 60 south. He chose it because there might be a small area of permanent shadow (PSR on the map) under the northern wall of Clavius L. I think there may be too much reflected light there to allow volatiles, but it's an interesting thought. I am troubled by the rough terrain - not an ideal site in my view. His next ideas were better...
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Show threadPhil Stooke5d ago

Later in 2023 Schmitt suggested new sites at a Candidate Artemis III Landing Sites Workshop. At top left 3 boxes represent the other 3 maps. The sites are relatively smooth and lie between 62 and 75 south. The sites in Schrödinger are probably the most geologically interesting and are a bit further south, increasing the chance for traces of volatiles.

I have not seen anything more from Schmitt since then, but the faintest whispers of a rumour are beginning to suggest he may get his wish.
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Show threadPhil Stooke3d ago

Back to the south pole now, because most studies still put us there. An Artemis mission scenario was shown in a 2023 video

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20230001847

also available at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k08Yql4Z5I

A generic lander leaves the orbiting Gateway and lands on the Connecting Ridge on day 1 of the mission. A pre-landed Lunar Terrain Vehicle (LTV) was driven remotely from a standby site to the landing site. Day 2 had the crew inside the lander preparing for surface operations.
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Show threadPhil Stooke3d ago
On day 3 samples were collected near the lander and the LTV took the crew to Bear Paw and back to the landing site. Day 4 was an EVA around the landing site. Day 5 included a crew traverse to a potential habitat site further from Shackleton along the ridge. On day 6 the crew prepared for departure on day 7. The LTV was driven remotely to the potential habitat site. "Bear Paw" is from another set of names I will mention later.
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Show threadPhil Stooke3d ago
Eight months later LTV was driven remotely to the rim of de Gerlache to await another crew. That 47.5 km drive took 602.5 hours (25 Earth days) and two months later the next Artemis lander (depicted as a SpaceX starship) would bring another crew to the surface at the de Gerlache Rim 1 landing site, where they could also drive the LTV. Simulations are very dependent on illumination and this one was based on lighting for December 2028 (Connecting Ridge) and September 2029 (de Gerlache).
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Show threadPhil Stooke3d ago
In 2023 David Kring of the Lunar and Planetary Institute and colleagues used LRO LOLA topography to identify an example of a landing site within each of 12 Artemis landing regions. The landing sites were required to have slopes of no more than 8° in a circle of 100 m radius, and each region may contain other suitable sites. This set of small maps identifies the 12 sites. This and other surveys are finding the actual places astronauts may land in the coming years.
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Show threadPhil Stooke3d ago
Kring's study was an effort to assess the ability of astronauts to function at each site. They found that workloads would not exceed the Apollo 14 EVA 2 - the climb up Cone Ridge and back - and so should be well within what astronauts would be capable of in early missions without a rover.
Show threadPhil Stooke1d ago

Here is another study by David Kring and others - he works a lot with groups of interns at LPI and presents results at LPSC and elsewhere. This was presented at LPSC in 2024 and publisher here (open access) in 2025:

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2024JE008905

This is on top of Mons Malapert, a mountain about 8 km above the floor of Haworth crater immediately to it south. It would be quite a place to stand. Several walking EVAs are illustrated.
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Show threadPhil Stooke1d ago
Kring's Malapert mission assumed a SpaceX Starship lander and mapped areas visible from its very high crew cabin. The long EVA 3 is almost entirely visible from the lander. This landing site is a few kilometres west of the Malapert site in the previous map.
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Show threadPhil Stooke23h ago
Here is another view of Mons Malapert illustrating 2 different studies. The main one with multiple EVA paths illustrates a grid sampling strategy. In addition to the main science targets, lots of small samples are collected on a rough grid pattern (aiming for a fairly regular distribution of samples, not a perfect grid pattern). It's supposed to reduce bias in sampling. The landing site is not the same as the previous one. A second study looks at rocket exhaust contamination...
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Show threadPhil Stooke23h ago
A second study reported by Brett Denevi (Johns Hopkins) looks at how volatiles like water or carbon dioxide from rocket exhaust might contaminate the surface. This is based on the Starship lander. A north-south streak on the map shows the area of volatile deposition from the main landing rocket. At the landing site four high-mounted thrusters take over for the final touchdown to reduce surface erosion. This landing site is the same as on the previous map.
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Show threadPhil Stooke32s ago
Back at the Connecting Ridge (AKA Shackleton-de Gerlache Ridge or Spudis Ridge - it doesn't yet have an official name). These maps show names for small craters on the ridge and around Shackleton, as they were shown on Quickmap in 2024. Careful comparison with earlier maps will show that a few names have changed. They are all related to the Shackleton expedition to Antarctica. These are from the LRO camera team and might become official at some point. Tomorrow - some whimsical names.
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Show threadԎєηυкι, 手抜き🚀🐧♏ 🔭 ⚫⚪1d ago
@PhilStooke I remember only my private studies . Sheppard & Mitchell never reached the Cone Ridge - they even didnot start climbing it. Wikipedia reports “confusing topology” for Sheppard even lost orientation only some 100 m before Cone. However all agreed that both astronauts really got exhausted (🥱). That tells us the limit about very well trained astronauts
Show threadPhil Stooke1d ago

@enigma You mean the rim of Cone crater, not Cone Ridge. See part 4 of the Moon Chronicle for details:
https://publish.uwo.ca/~pjstooke/moon-chronicle.htm

They did get to within about 40 m of the rim crest but could not see into the crater because it was on a north-facing slope.

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Show threadԎєηυкι, 手抜き🚀🐧♏ 🔭 ⚫⚪23h ago
@PhilStooke also the rim showed their fitness limits by hand without an electrical rover
Show threadԎєηυкι, 手抜き🚀🐧♏ 🔭 ⚫⚪4d ago
@PhilStooke
a happy fellow who rejected man made climate change including all critical dangers for earth. As a scientist. This was 2013 when Mr Schmitt was already 78. But as you mention he still is very vivid and agile with a clear mind. 🤔😬
Show threadPhil Stooke3d ago
@enigma You are right about that. A case of cognitive dissonance.
Show threadԎєηυкι, 手抜き🚀🐧♏ 🔭 ⚫⚪3d ago
@PhilStooke
friendly spoken . Because in 70ies founding Greenpeace and all environment movement may had the earth marble fotos as a trigger event for saving earths env.
Schmitt is also geologist who thinks in big time periods. Increasing temperature of atmosphere in so short time couldnot have been neglected by him.
But some of Apollo astronauts had life time health mental problems anyway