phlox811d ago
kit

You know that idea of a White Christmas, yeah?

That really comes from the Little Ice Age (1600 - 1800) ? Hmmm? (And Dickens remembering once upon a time.)

Well it turns out that *that* was due to the way we genocided (fancy word for murdered a whole lot of people) on both sides of the Atlantic.

So many that we decarbonised the atmosphere and triggered the cold.

We have not been good stewards of the planet

https://globalnews.ca/news/4924534/little-ice-age-death-55-million-indigenous-people-colonization-study/

h/t @jonesmurphy

‘Little Ice Age’ caused by death of 55-million Indigenous people after colonization: study

Colonization of the Americas at the end of the 15th century killed so many people, it disturbed Earth's climate, according to a new study.

Global News
Mar 27 at 11:12amWeb
Show threadcwicseolfor2d ago
@hypostase @jonesmurphy The billionaires only see a blueprint here. We have to reckon with how anyone could have sided with this, and we have to do it fast because the culture that did so is still the one in greatest power with greatest wealth today, they’re still at it in North and especially South America, in Australasia, and the rest of the world is open for another round if it means the yacht club can keep burning 300,000 to 500,000 times as much carbon as the average human alive.
Show threadJones Murphy2d ago
@cwicseolfor @hypostase the problem isn't billionaires. It's the group that massively enriched billionaires ever since Civil Rights: Nazis aka #MAGA. That's the most dangerous group, behaving like their ancestors.
Show threadcwicseolfor2d ago
@jonesmurphy @hypostase Hence "how anyone could have sided with this" and "the culture that did so is still the one in greatest power with greatest wealth" - the billionaires call the shots, but the shots are carried out by dutiful little footsoldiers all hoping for their turn at the trough. The "this" being "sided with" is an ongoing, unfolding event. The culture of reified dominance, of the right to exploit the dehumanized, is UTTERLY continuous.
Show threadJones Murphy2d ago
@cwicseolfor @hypostase that's false. Billionaires lost a huge percentage of the pie from FDR till Civil Rights. Billionaires do not call the shots in America, and never have. Racist voters turned against the New Deal when it was desegregated by Civil. They incessantly cut taxes on billionaires and corporations, and busted unions. The number and wealth of billionaires soared, and is now overwhelmingly produced by racist voters since Civil Rights.
Show threadcwicseolfor2d ago
@jonesmurphy @hypostase The *CULTURE* didn't change, and the racist voters you indicate are the proof - we're talking about a gap of thirty years from the New Deal to the racist rank-closing (the Southern Strategy) in response to the Civil Rights movement, fifty years until it really completed that process, something that occurred within the span of a lifetime and even within the span of single careers. Certainly we had periods of progress; "the culture" of which I'm speaking had some eras of greater temperance in the face of opposition. But we've not had much other, in the European diaspora, but the Anglophone world especially, and nowhere more than in the US, than a culture of violent, colonial, racist patriarchy the whole time.
Show threadLIZZIE2d ago
@hypostase we are brain stem reacting animals with nothing good to add
Show threadMartin Vermeer FCD2d ago

@hypostase @jonesmurphy AKA the Ruddiman hypothesis. And by the way, it is not correct to call the whole event a genocide: most of the dying was caused by epidemics of European germs that spread among a native American population lacking immunity to them.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379118307261#sec4

Show threadJones Murphy2d ago
@martinvermeer @hypostase pure bullshit. The population collapse in Africa wasn't because of any germs. It was started with swords & crossbows & finished with hot lead. It was very much the same story across the Americas, with tremendous regional variations depending on the murderousness of European settlers. For instance, the Native American population percentage collapse in the US was much greater than in neighboring Mexico & Canada. Germs don't work like that at all.
Show threadkit2d ago

@martinvermeer

I think you are (intentionally) missing the point.

Maybe we did not kill every single last person, that's really hard to do.

We killed enough to affect the climate, whether through arms, or biological warfare is immaterial.

That you might not want to call it genocide says nothing about that.

@jonesmurphy

Show threadJones Murphy2d ago
@hypostase @martinvermeer kt, racists like Martin are tenacious and desperate in their denial of genocide. Note that he had nothing to say about Africa, which right next to Europe and did not lack immunity to European germs. He's full of Nazi bull.
Show threadMartin Vermeer FCD2d ago
@hypostase @[email protected] Oh, genocide happened all right: like the settlers giving the native Americans they interacted with germ-infested blankets, with the clear intention of spreading the epidemic to them and killing them. That counts as genocidal intent. And that's just an example. And note that you don't need to kill everyone to make it a genocide: the Genocide Convention speaks of the destruction in whole OR IN PART of a protected group. But the spread of the various diseases across the continent would have happened anyway, though perhaps slower.
Show thread🇳🇿   💉*9 Roger1d ago
@hypostase @jonesmurphy I suspect the Mongol expansion contributed too. Much of Russia was depopulated in the 13th century. A bit earlier but there is debate about when the little ice age began.