notfromhereBathroom and sports gender segregation should be abolished
Fulfilling bodily functions when no harm comes to another should never be criminalized. My house does not practice segregated bathrooms, and when I compete with my household, we are on the same playing field regardless of gender.
This obsession by conservatives of how people present themselves is deep rooted internalized repression and they lash out and cause real lasting harm to others.
WhiteOakBayouI don’t think conservatives segregate their home bathrooms by gender.
I don’t think it’s strickly a conservative thing to prefer not to poop next to the opposite gender.
Can you elaborate on the your opinion about mixed gender sports?
Sports isn’t just about physical. There is ability to operate as a team. I suspect that mixed gender teams will be superior to mono-gender teams. Diverse perspectives, with proper structure to organize and make use of those perspectives and execute well should always rise above a mono-culture.
I agree. People are not molesting & raping each other in bathrooms and locker rooms. If they get frisky it’s because they want to but that’s incredibly rare in restrooms & locker rooms. Those are unsexy environments designed uncomfortably for their rigid function purposes. And even as things are now with gender segregation, sometimes people are homosexual so by our traditional segregation logic, shouldn’t they be segregated if we’re segregating based on sexual preference & gender identification? Nope because you’re right, gender segregation is unnecessary. We need to abolish gender segregation.
I was in Seatle recently and was surprised at the number of public bathrooms they were gender neutral. It was just a bunch of stalls with almost floor to ceiling walls.
If the women are okay with it, then I’m probably okay with it.
TrackinDaKrakenFor team sports, segregation would happen regardless. The vast majority of women just can’t keep up with men, and the team would need to choose men over women to be competitive, leaving women to play with themselves.
For individual sports like running, etc. women would almost never appear on the podium, unless you introduce classes, in which case, you might as well just segregate them.
Bathrooms and locker rooms do not need to be segregated by law, but I suspect most women would choose segregated given the choice.
Gender segregated sports aren’t segregated so women get to play. Sure, a lot of girls benefit from this segregation, but it’s not the reason.
High-skill men, unskilled men, high-skill women, mid-skill women, and unskilled women have historically been kinda fine in letting men and women compete in an equal footing. For man-centric things this means most winners and competitors will be men, but the inverse happens for woman-centric things and nobody really complains.
But mid-skill men doing a man-centric thing absolutely lose it when they lose to high-skill women. Which doesn’t happen a lot, but they lose it loudly enough when it does happen that for anything as trivial as sport it’s easier to just segregate so we can protect the fragile egos of mid-skill men who just can’t handle losing to a woman.
Lol some men can be so… What’s the word I’m looking for? Fragile hits the spot
Bathrooms are segregated by gender because victorians thought women deserved better than unsanitary holes in the ground, so they made actual bathrooms for them when women started to work in factories.
By the time enough men realized they wanted indoor plumbing at work too, the tradition had been established that women had separate facilities and so the separation stuck.
(And now it’s just the slow process of redoing every public bathroom on the planet to be gender neutral. Which is harder than it should be since transphobes love telling horror stories about trans women so they can police all women.)
radixI’m not aware of any top-tier professional team sports league that says “women can’t play on the men’s team.”
Some individual sports are totally segregated, but there are no rules that say Premiere League teams or NHL teams can’t have a woman. The fact that no “mens” teams do play women says quite a bit about the level of physical separation at that top level. Even if it happens one day, and I think it will, it will be single digits per year, max, for a long, long time.
If women want to have a chance to play those sports at the top level, they need their own league.
Two separate issues.
For sports, testosterone plays an enormous effect. I fully support segregation where there’s a way for the less-testosterone endowed to have competition. In all honesty it leads to better games. Women’s basketball for example is a lot more entertaining once you get past the “3pt+drive for the dunk” game
I’ve never understood why bathrooms […] are segregated by gender
Just wait a little. You will get older and you will understand.
Humans - except young adults - do not like to see other humans’ bodies at all times, or at all activities, and especially not the ones of the opposite sex.
Big, fact citation needed on that “Most humans.” Minus points for age patronizing. I mean, if your worldview is of the puritan or islamic variety, it might seem like this is ground truth, but I’m pretty sure it is purely cultural and that there are many examples of humans in the buff doing whatever it is they do. You’re just not exposed to them because of the aforementioned bias.
So quit peeking over the stall doors already, perv.
Edit: Downvoting all my posts huh Zwuzelmaus?
Back at ya, perv.
As a man, I don’t really care if a woman comes into the same bathroom as me or faces me on the football field. Whatever “threat” they might pose to me, men already do that times five.
What I worry about is the reality it leads to. I’m afraid that in sports it ends up with only men’s teams, and the only women who qualify are genetic outliers that the vast majority of women in the world can’t relate to at all. It’s like me looking up to Shaq O’Neal and thinking someday I’m going to be like him - not going to happen.
Men have nothing to lose here, whereas women have everything to lose.
It’s like me looking up to Shaq O’Neal and thinking someday I’m going to be like him - not going to happen
Exactly and he’s the same gender as you so what’s tje big deal?
If I’m a woman and the only women I see doing professional sports are equivalent to Shaq then why would I even bother trying unless I’m a genetical freak as well.
They’re all genetic freaks im in the same boat as a man who watches these one in a million type freaks play sports
I’m fine with the bathroom being combined as long as we still can have one if those guys that’s hands out towels.
I like the “split open bathroom” design. The sinks are connected to both in the middle (and the entrance/exit is connected to the sinks only), and I’m one direction there’s urinals and a few toilets and the other just toilets - but there’s no signs.
Also, seems men wash their hands more often (with soap even) when women are also present I’ve noticed.
For sports, we spend all our lives saying that victory is not the goal of sport, then we separate by gender so victory feels fair
I also think we should not separate by gender, and instead have multiple tiers of experience at the Olympics.
But there is some truth on those who argue that having women’s sport encourages women to play sports in general, as less women play sports than men (I think). Even if there was no measurable general difference between the biological sexes, males would still generally outperform just out of statistics, because there is more of them.
So the deal is actually cultural. Society needs to abandon the idea that gender has anything to do with sports. Just like we do for skin color or height. So that when a girl sees a football match with 18 men, 3 women and 1 nonbinary, she doesn’t feel like football isn’t for her out of gender.
Like, I myself like volleyball, but all throughout my experience I’ve noticed how I had to struggle far more than my peers simply because I was short and physically weak (struggles eating during teenage). I also did Judo for a bit, there are tiers by weight, meaning I competed with 10yo children as a 14yo. What I mean is that while I can agree a child would notice differences out of gender, it’s not like this is something new, acknowledging physical differences and accepting them is a key part of personal growth in sports already, gender would be just yet another element.
I also don’t see why its so important to encourage sports. Let those who want to do it and not based on whatever their preference and ability would allow for.
DupaCyckiI’ve never understood why bathrooms or sports are segregated by gender.
Sports aren’t entirely divided by gender. There are female competitions, which are only for women, and ‘male competitions’, which are open to everybody. Though women rarely enter the latter, because, aside from chess, they get obliterated due to unfair physiology.
bufalo1973The first time a woman won the archery competition in the Olympics it was the last time it wasn’t segregated. Right after that, the federation “created” the women competition.
I agree here. We have various competitive levels to sports. I can go to a triple A ball game.
For the former. I don’t give a single fuck what’s between your legs while you’re using the stall.
Just wash your goddamn hands when you’re done mucking about with it!
Every sport is going to be different. I don’t think any of us know enough to say that all sports should or should not be segregated. For powerlifting though, I do think we can get rid of gender segregation, and also weight classes. Just use the GL score and add a factor to the expression for some testosterone level proxy measurement.