mkj

For a given document, saved as OpenDocument, in LibreOffice, is there a hopefully convenient way to *locally* (no cloud service) find out which (if any) features it uses which can not be represented in the strict standard ODF format but only in Extended? (For example: if one switches from ODF "1.4 Extended" to "1.4" what's lost?)

It's fine if it's just a list like "this document uses the following features somewhere that require Extended".

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Mar 27 at 3:03pmWeb
Show threadmkj3d ago
I did find https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/OpenDocument-v1.2-part1.html#ForeignElementsAndAttributes and https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#Namespaces which lists (in this case for OpenDocument 1.2) the standards-compliant XML namespaces, but even a cursory look at one document indicates that it includes *many* XML namespaces not in that list even though those aren't even relevant to the type of document (for example, an OpenDocument text document including a "calcext" Document Foundation Calc schema, which I feel confident saying should *not* be used in any way in that document).
OASIS Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) Version 1.2 - Part 1: OpenDocument Schema

Show threadmkj3d ago

I found https://odftoolkit.org/conformance/ODFValidator.html which looks to be roughly what I'm looking for at a *technical* level. Unfortunately it points at quite a lot that's not strict ODF compliant. When setting the save format to 1.4 instead of 1.4 Extended in LibreOffice, validation comes out clean, as expected; but I don't see any ready indication of what, if anything, I've done which is lost in the process, so that part of my question remains. (The resulting file is *much* smaller.)

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Show threadRicardo Martín 3d ago
@mkj I was under the impression that Libre office saved always using extended as per latest Oasis specs.
Had to check that time ago with a related pandoc issue working with ODTs
Show threadmkj3d ago
@ricardo There's a setting for that (Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Default File Format and ODF Settings, in the version on my system). Extended is recommended but strict standards-conforming is possible.
Show threadRicardo Martín 3d ago
@mkj Yes, that's what I was referring to, depending on the version of LibreOffice you're using you will have more modern ODF versions, which if I'm not mistaken, include the previous "extended" in the latest released "standard"
https://www.heise.de/en/news/OASIS-ratifies-Open-Document-Format-1-4-as-a-standard-11102424.html
OASIS ratifies Open Document Format 1.4 as a standard

The standardization organization OASIS has ratified ODF 1.4. The open document format offers some new features for office suites.

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Show threadmkj3d ago

@ricardo Yes, that's the general idea as I understand it. But "1.4 Extended", also as I understand it, includes things that are not in 1.4 and may or may not be in, but certainly likely won't be using the same schema, in a future 1.5.

My ultimate goal is to use the current actual standard if at all possible. Since that means that anything not covered by the current standard can't be represented, I want to know what, if anything, I'm actually doing in a document that's *not* thus representable.