As do .ml and hexbear.

Excuse me for not seeing a credible difference between genocidal warmonger (blue) and genocidal warmonger (red)

But Putin attacking countries is fiiiiine. Ukraine and Western propaganda and all that.

firstly isn’t that whataboutism?

either way I’m opposed to inter-capitalist wars and despots like Putin.

In a discussion about the misrepresentation of political stances to further various agendas, it is not a whataboutism to point out a commonly held political hypocrisy.

I mean it is a misrepresentation of my political stance, plus the topic was warmongers running our government and they were like ‘what about russia’

If your primary concern had been its misrepresentation of your values, why didn’t you lead with that? The topic of .ml and hexbear was brought up as examples of people pushing the narrative in OP - hence why including a hypocrisy about the topic common in those communities is relevant.

A pretty common sentiment on hexbear is that Putin is someone Lenin would have shot. Opposing the war in ukraine as an inter-capitalist war is pretty common position as well. I don’t see the hypocrisy, just looks like someone attacking a made-up position

You, a .ml user, very literally express the sentiment in the OP in your first comment - you equate (red) and (blue) as warmongers you fail to see the difference between.

That the communities are far more pro-Russian than other spaces online is trivially easy to confirm - not perhaps to the flippant degree bassomitron presented, but it’s still true. And while you yourself may not be an example of that (although your primary stance appears to be that both Ukraine and Russia are equally wrong due to it being an inter-capitalist war and not a war of aggression by one capitalist state, which hmm. You also appear to have at one point earnestly believed the lies that there are “nazi gangs” running around Ukraine, which is not your fault but I hope you have reevaluated that belief since then), that’s not relevant to the above generalization.

(edit: clarity)

You also appear to have at one point earnestly believed the lies that there are “nazi gangs” running around Ukraine

There are and were plenty of nazi gangs running around. they’ve just been largely integrated into the military formations, idk what to tell you. Believe it or not both sides can have their issues. This isn’t a Marvel movie.

your primary stance appears to be that both Ukraine and Russia are equally wrong due to it being an inter-capitalist war and not a war of aggression by one capitalist state, which hmm.

Both sides are capitalist states fighting over spheres of influence and neither represents working class interests.

Q E D, as it were…

So you’ve got nothing, got it.

Even with the addition from your edit, I see very little I need to further contribute here. You have served as a perfect illustration of my point. Thank you.

As an unconcerned bystander I do wonder what you would have to contribute, as it seems you’re mostly trying to hate on users from a few particular instances, without any real substance to it. And it does look like you think you had a real “gotcha!” moment there. Instead you’re just looking like someone with an axe to grind taking it out on random folks.

And that’s fine! My intial point was that their accusation of something being a whattaboutism was incorrect - everything else was in response to their attempt to insert themselves as a directly aggrieved party when the discussion was about a group in general, never about them specifically.

I don’t know that it’s particularly unconcerned to insert yourself into this too, but as the bar has been repeatedly set at “insulting me, lying about a lack of understanding in (what I can assume was) an attempt to discredit my argument, demonstrating that lie and then immediately attempting to walk it back when confronted about it” I am genuinely grateful for a polite interlude in the conversation.

And that’s fine!

It’s fine that you’re looking like someone who is out to harass others?

I asked for the contribution you would have made, according to yourself. What was the contribution?