FoxtrotDeltaTangoAlways remember, both sides are just as bad!
Diva (she/her)Excuse me for not seeing a credible difference between genocidal warmonger (blue) and genocidal warmonger (red)
But Putin attacking countries is fiiiiine. Ukraine and Western propaganda and all that.
firstly isn’t that whataboutism?
either way I’m opposed to inter-capitalist wars and despots like Putin.
In a discussion about the misrepresentation of political stances to further various agendas, it is not a whataboutism to point out a commonly held political hypocrisy.
I mean it is a misrepresentation of my political stance, plus the topic was warmongers running our government and they were like ‘what about russia’
If your primary concern had been its misrepresentation of your values, why didn’t you lead with that? The topic of .ml and hexbear was brought up as examples of people pushing the narrative in OP - hence why including a hypocrisy about the topic common in those communities is relevant.
A pretty common sentiment on hexbear is that Putin is someone Lenin would have shot. Opposing the war in ukraine as an inter-capitalist war is pretty common position as well. I don’t see the hypocrisy, just looks like someone attacking a made-up position
You, a .ml user, very literally express the sentiment in the OP in your first comment - you equate (red) and (blue) as warmongers you fail to see the difference between.
That the communities are far more pro-Russian than other spaces online is trivially easy to confirm - not perhaps to the flippant degree bassomitron presented, but it’s still true. And while you yourself may not be an example of that (although your primary stance appears to be that both Ukraine and Russia are equally wrong due to it being an inter-capitalist war and not a war of aggression by one capitalist state, which hmm. You also appear to have at one point earnestly believed the lies that there are “nazi gangs” running around Ukraine, which is not your fault but I hope you have reevaluated that belief since then), that’s not relevant to the above generalization.
(edit: clarity)
You also appear to have at one point earnestly believed the lies that there are “nazi gangs” running around Ukraine
There are and were plenty of nazi gangs running around. they’ve just been largely integrated into the military formations, idk what to tell you. Believe it or not both sides can have their issues. This isn’t a Marvel movie.
your primary stance appears to be that both Ukraine and Russia are equally wrong due to it being an inter-capitalist war and not a war of aggression by one capitalist state, which hmm.
Both sides are capitalist states fighting over spheres of influence and neither represents working class interests.
Q E D, as it were…
So you’ve got nothing, got it.
Even with the addition from your edit, I see very little I need to further contribute here. You have served as a perfect illustration of my point. Thank you.
There’s a delightful irony in you attempting to bait this further using a meme depicting something that never actually happened in the anime. Well done, you’ve made a game attempt, better luck next time, similarly dismissively pompus statements, etc. etc.
depicting something that never actually happened in the anime.
It’s a great depiction of what you’ve been up to right now though
similarly dismissively pompus statements
wow it’s just like all your other comments!
You really want this to become a fight on personal terms, and I’m just not here for that. Resorting to image macro trolling in an attempt to bait out a personal attack so you do not have to address the arguments themselves is a really poor look for your case.
You were the one who didn’t actually address anything and are just like “it is proven, my job here is done”
What exactly is the point you feel that you’ve made?
My points stand quite well on their own, and my previous comments quite eloquently address that question. If you are uncertain, I invite you to go and review them. I still feel there is no need to contribute further to what is a well-settled topic.
I went back and couldn’t find anything eloquent with your name attached to it, just a pile of smug bullshit as usual
You’ve been condescending to me from the start. don’t start acting offended when you get attitude back.
there’s also no points that you’ve made lmao
I’m just going off what you’ve said (or failed to). When I asked for clarification you just acted smug in response.
The extent of our exchange was you saying ‘I bet you believe something I think is wrong’ and me saying ‘yeah I still do because of abundant evidence’ and your response was ‘QED’ That’s not making a point, it’s just being a pidgeon shitting on the chessboard
You’re still attempting to shift the narrative to my arguments having been interpersonal - which they never were, and will continue to not be. The only claim to your personal beliefs I have made were ones that you yourself had clearly expressed.
Your ‘argument’ was ‘I bet you believe something I think is wrong’, with no elaboration. you didn’t feel the need to address my point about them both being capitalist states that don’t represent workers interests.
Calling that ‘eloquent’ was laughable too
Your ‘argument’ was ‘I bet you believe something I think is wrong’,
And while you yourself may not be an example of that […] that’s not relevant to the above generalization.
You said that ml and hexbear are far more pro-russian than other spaces; thats a half truth because it’s at most a critical support due to its positioning against the US. There’s lots of spaces out there that are uncritically pro russian and I have problems with those the same as I would with maga reactionay spaces.
Compared to lib echo chambers like on the the rest of lemmy/piefed it may seem ‘far more’ in support of russia, but it’s really not, especially compared to places with actual chuds running around.
I responded to your bit about what you think I believe and you just responded ‘QED’, as if anything other than full lockstep repetition of western narratives is evidence of secretly being ‘pro-russia’
When are you gonna post this on meanwhileongrad? need more slop content
I am glad you decided to take my suggestion to review my comments, although I’m not particularly interested in continuing this discussion. It seems unlikely you will be able to reconcile this comment with your repeated (and now clearly baseless) accusations that I did not have a point, or that the extent of our interaction was “I bet you believe something I did wrong”.
InternetCitizen2That which was to be demonstrated once again.
Fr, and lemmy is broadly left leaning to
Teddy PoliceAs an unconcerned bystander I do wonder what you would have to contribute, as it seems you’re mostly trying to hate on users from a few particular instances, without any real substance to it. And it does look like you think you had a real “gotcha!” moment there. Instead you’re just looking like someone with an axe to grind taking it out on random folks.
And that’s fine! My intial point was that their accusation of something being a whattaboutism was incorrect - everything else was in response to their attempt to insert themselves as a directly aggrieved party when the discussion was about a group in general, never about them specifically.
I don’t know that it’s particularly unconcerned to insert yourself into this too, but as the bar has been repeatedly set at “insulting me, lying about a lack of understanding in (what I can assume was) an attempt to discredit my argument, demonstrating that lie and then immediately attempting to walk it back when confronted about it” I am genuinely grateful for a polite interlude in the conversation.
And that’s fine!
It’s fine that you’re looking like someone who is out to harass others?
I asked for the contribution you would have made, according to yourself. What was the contribution?