James Widman
David Graeber InstituteAgree or disagree, we need to be discussing Universal Basic Income.
It is too important of a subject just to scroll past.
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Simon Zerafa (Status: 
😊)The shift in the power balance that UBI would bring about would completely change how people interact with employment. And how employers would be required to treat their employees.
The status quo would almost certainly go to extreme lengths to prevent this from ever happening.
Peter Brown@DGI UBI completely changes the dynamic between employee and employer, especially in lower paid jobs.
At the moment all the leverage is with the employer, who knows that the employee who walks away has no more income and has to find another job. #ubi redresses the profound imbalance between employee and employer and has the potential to create a much more pleasant working environment for all.
At the moment all the leverage is with the employer, who knows that the employee who walks away has no more income and has to find another job. #ubi redresses the profound imbalance between employee and employer and has the potential to create a much more pleasant working environment for all.
CyWe need to be discussing debt forgiveness. As the late David Graeber might have observed. If you forgive everyone's debt, the bastards on top come toppling down because we don't have to do what they want anymore.
If you don't forgive everyone's debt, and leave the bastards on top while implementing a Universal Basic Income, then if your UBI is $2000/month everyone will suddenly mysteriously accidentally (not accidentally) end up in debt, owing something to the tune of $2000/month to their creditors. Sorry we have to raise everyone's rent by $2000/month but we're just forced to by that bad, bad, Universal Basic Income.
If you don't forgive everyone's debt, and leave the bastards on top while implementing a Universal Basic Income, then if your UBI is $2000/month everyone will suddenly mysteriously accidentally (not accidentally) end up in debt, owing something to the tune of $2000/month to their creditors. Sorry we have to raise everyone's rent by $2000/month but we're just forced to by that bad, bad, Universal Basic Income.
That being said... they aren't gods. They can't act with impunity. They'll try to keep people in debt, and renting, and paying mortgages, and all that, and try to use that to make the UBI effectively no good at getting you off the streets.
(They've certainly succeeded at making y'all terrorize people living on the streets so we're all desperate to pay a landlord.)
They'll try to do that, but it'll take time, and effort, and people fighting them every step of the way. As long as they are allowed to extract rent, they can chip away at anything we try to do to live better. But if a UBI happened tomorrow, it would be a huge setback for the shits who are bent on making the whole world their slave.
Which is probably the reason the shits are so desperately trying to stop any sort of a UBI from happening. What I say is let's have a UBI tomorrow, and then tomorrow we can go take our land back from the colonizers. And yes, Europeans are also colonized up to their ears. Once nobody's obligated to these pieces of shit, things could get better, and a UBI might help with that.
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(They've certainly succeeded at making y'all terrorize people living on the streets so we're all desperate to pay a landlord.)
They'll try to do that, but it'll take time, and effort, and people fighting them every step of the way. As long as they are allowed to extract rent, they can chip away at anything we try to do to live better. But if a UBI happened tomorrow, it would be a huge setback for the shits who are bent on making the whole world their slave.
Which is probably the reason the shits are so desperately trying to stop any sort of a UBI from happening. What I say is let's have a UBI tomorrow, and then tomorrow we can go take our land back from the colonizers. And yes, Europeans are also colonized up to their ears. Once nobody's obligated to these pieces of shit, things could get better, and a UBI might help with that.
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MsMerope@DGI
imho people would also do a better job at their jobs.
I'm a teacher. For 4-5 hours a day I can be the best teacher ever. After 6 hours I'm exhausted. UBI and medicare for all would enable folks like me to work full tilt - doing our best job - and only our best job without sacrificing our mental, physical and fiscal health.
(And if you think that's silly you come to work with me and I'll leave *you* in a room of 24 4-year-olds. Where 40% of the "parents" think flaming hot cheetos and doughnuts is an appropriate breakfast.)