Double standards are twice the fun.

https://lemmy.world/post/44722229

Fuck Russia, fuck Israel, fuck the United States, fuck China.
That is how get all the STIs.
At least I’ll be giving them to someone deserving then.
Sharing is caring, as they say
State transmitted Imperialism.
Wth what did China do
Taiwan, among other things.
Oh shit did they invade?
Not to my knowledge, but they’d like to and don’t recognize Taiwan as separate from China.

Call me crazy, but that doesn’t feel as bad as

  • invading Ukraine
  • invading Iraq twice, bombing Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, bombing Yugoslavia, arming a genocide in Guatemala, invading Afghanistan, invading Vietnam, bombing Cambodia and Laos, funding a genocide in Indonesia, funding a genocide in East Timor, funding a genocide in Gaza
  • invading all your neighbors all the time

Third one is Israel, got lazy.

I definitely think you’re right in that there are degrees to the evil these countries are perpetrating on the innocent.

I feel like the OP was just saying fuck X country who does evil, which is far from the complete list, haha.

If that the case let’s look who vote with evil things in the UN it’s a clear record where countries stand. This will put UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Canada, Australia, India, Argentina at the top of the list.

Well, China didn’t invade anyone in the last decade because they’ve already annexed the territories they wanted. It’s not like Uyghurs and Tibetans stopped getting genocided because their territories are already internationally recognised as part of the PRC.

And they do fund multiple conflicts outside of their own country, like the aforementioned invasion of Ukraine.

Uyghurs and Tibetans stopped getting genocided

Doesnt happen. There were cases of violence but it wasnt genocide.

You got also lazy with Russia. That list should have been as long as the US
Yeah, they just focus on the countries next to them mostly (and even then there’s been sponsored shit stirring in Africa, too)
Feel free to extend it, I’ll edit the comment. Ideally in a pithy format like the US one.

invading Poland, invading Finland, occupying the Baltic states, crushing the Hungarian Revolution, invading Czechoslovakia, invading Afghanistan, arming the Derg regime in Ethiopia, funding proxy wars in Angola and Mozambique, intervening in Moldova, intervening in Tajikistan, bombing Chechnya, invading Georgia, invading Ukraine, funding separatists in the Donbas, bombing Syria, arming militias in Libya, funding mercenaries in the Central African Republic, funding mercenaries in Mali

is it ok?

Wait, are Poland and Czechoslovakia during WWII? I don’t feel comfortable putting those two on the list (I didn’t put “invade France” for the US either, which would be absolutely bizarre). I’m also going to filter out the separatist one, bc I didn’t include KLA either for America, for example.

Actually, writing this, I notice I would have to vet all of these one by one before I would feel comfortable adding them to my comment, and I don’t have time for that. I did promise to add them to the list, so as a compromise I propose I just add a link to your comment, with the explicit caveat that I’m not sure if I agree with all of it. Would that work for you?

You need to define the criteria. France was liberated by the allied forces. And French government was independent immediately after the war (France even withdrew from NATO). Poland was under Soviet dominion until 1989. 1947 were not free elections.

For me that counts for sure.

Oh, like kill 50 million + citizens through internal war and poor planning.

Take away individual liberties and develop the most insane surveillance culture in the world.

Commit to a slow burn genocide of Muslims.

Pump out more billionaires than the US for the last two years while massively increasing the income gap.

They did raise hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty so you have got to give them that. But then immediately take it away when you learn they are the fourth largest supplier of arms in the world.

kill 50 million fake number, completely made up

Take away individual liberties Every western nation does that, not every culture has same idea of democracy and freedom. Stop imposing western liberal views on everyone.

Commit to a slow burn genocide of Muslims. Even CIA denys that

Pump out more billionaires than the US for the last two years while massively increasing the income gap. Valid

they are the fourth/fifth largest supplier of arms in the world. They are second largest economy, so makes sense

Oh look someone who denies the enormous of life.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

sciencespo.fr/…/chronology-mass-killings-during-c…

The CIA doesn’t give a shit about Genocide. This has been detailed by Amnesty International and other human rights groups and researchers since the concentration camps began.

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

I wont take western sources about china seriously and wikipedia is a fucking joke, regards. Human right groups are built up to sustain capitalist structure and spread liberal propaganda.
Found the human right’s abuser.
Says the one whose entire ideology is built upon exploiting “human rights” of workers, lol.
Says the guy denying human rights abuses.
Wow, you just keep acting more and more dumb. I guess that is what happens when you can refute the truth. Disgusting human rights abuser.
Your leaders have waged wars + did slavery + genocided natives + are pedophiles + exploits workers and much more. Shove up that western values somewhere else lmao
Ignoring 50 millions deaths because “they” are the bad guys - Priceless
If only that number was true and factual at worse 10 million people died.
Ohh only 10 million!? Well that just makes it all better. Never underestimate the callousness of someone who excuses human rights abuses because they are a campist.

that just makes it all better Haha lol never said that.

Everyone is a campist, being non campist is just being centrist i.e. standing for nothing and supporting the oppressor. You enjoy your life that is built by blood of innocent people, your tax dollars are killing innocent people right now. Why are you lecturing me on human rights, lol.

A lot of projection there. I live on a little island in the middle of nowhere and I have no problem calling out my own government or any other government for that matter.

So no, not everyone is a campist like you.

Aside from all the politic shit. They tried to end my existence via the enforcement of the One Child Policy. I was the 2nd child in my family, they nearly ended me.

Thank god I got lucky and somehow lived.

Not the user you responded to, but I got a vendetta against PRC, it’s personal.

I thought the penalty was a fine?

That’s if they don’t catch you.

My mom told me the first hand account of how women would just get forced abortions.

Like there are lots of women that was pregnant with their 2nd unapproved child, then the government found out and they’d force you go get an abortion.

My mom managed to hide me till like month 8 of the pregnancy, then like someone found out but they turned one eye blind and didn’t report it.

I mean I don’t exactly understand the full story either, its not like mom wrote a diary on it.

Basically it was a combination of many factors that lead to me surviving.

There was an issue of jurisdictions, they mostly left it local governments to enforce, mom was from Taishan and she was working in Guangzhou when she had me, and she was supposed to submit a pregnancy test every 3 months and send results back to their hometown. But mom told me she got another woman to take the pregnancy test for her under her name.

So like, the people working for the Guangzhou government didn’t enforce it as harshly because she wasn’t registered in their Hukou.

Perhaps a god exists and they intervened? idk, not really that religious…

I barely lived, and yes there’s a fine, like somewhere in the ¥20000-¥30000 rmb which was a lot in the 2002s.

The west does the same. They don’t call it one child policy but rent.

In your opinion, what would have been the alternative? A bigger population would have made it much more difficult for China to achieve food security.

So by categorically denying my right to existence even though my mom wanted me, its somehow essential to China’s development?

Last I checked, most western countries doesn’t go around snatching women off the streets and performing abortions against their will.

Last I checked, most western countries doesn’t go around snatching women off the streets and performing abortions against their will

Unless they’re Indigenous.

Without a consumer culture how else but with rules can they limit the fertility rate? And with rules, how can they work if they are not enforced?

They could have sterilized each mother that gave birth to a child but that’s dangerous when new soldiers may be needed for wars.

What would have been your preferred strategy?

How about: Government shouldn’t be able to intervene in family planning

It’s one thing to encourage or discourage births, its a whole other thing to force IUDs, force sterillizarions, forced abortions.

Government shouldn’t be able to intervene

That’s a strategy but it will inevitably lead to war because the most populous countries will conquer their neighbors to feed their population. So all countries have to promote having children which accelerates the arrival of the conflict.

Btw, please don’t take my arguments personal. I like to read your comments on lemmy. I am glad that you got through the system.
So… just a fun day playing Devil’s Advocate, gotcha.
Well by that logic millions have been killed by the civilization you yearn for
It does seem a bit unfair to include them and not India
You know I actually thought about that afterwards.
As a young adult not too invested in politics, may I please ask?
As an Indian, I’d say kashmir

As a Canadian, first example that comes to mind is the apparent involvement of a killing in Canada.

But nothing personally against you or any other Indian, same as nothing against any Chinese.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar - Wikipedia

Imagine asking this with a straight face.

Okay Mr Garrison

Where has China been imperialist in the past 15 years.
Hong Kong
And China was more imperialist than the British Empire?
China’s doing imperialism… in China
Ooo boy you dumb
So you’re saying China treats Hong Kong as an internal colony? I don’t think that’s borne out by the facts but I’m happy to hear your argument.