MrkawfeeDouble standards are twice the fun.
Whenever it’s the US or Israel doing the crime, it’s legal!
GladaedNobody is saying that on this webpage. I do not need you to quote trump fabricating the impression of a consensus where there is none. In particular without using, well, quotes.
Right, by “nobody” I thought you were implying that literally nobody was claiming full authority to do whatever they wanted. “Nobody on this webpage” makes much more sense.
The new York Times is? Or at least, they’re word it so one seems a lot more acceptable than the other.
Control is a broader term meaning it could be yours or your neighbors but it is occupied and garrisonsed by your troops. Annexation is formally adding the territory to your nation and increases the Aggressive Expansion penalty.
The headlines about Russia, taking “control” of Crimea started one way and ended in the other…
My impression as a Russian is that annexation of Crimea was silently allowed by the US and the EU politicians. Putin has become a pariah after invading Donbass
If my “silently allowed “you mean “Trump was too busy being so corrupt with his own bullshit that the United States didn’t do its duty as the global protector of democracy“ then, yeah. That. The entire planet collectively will agree with you.
And now we have lost our position as world belief, which we did an awful lot of work to earn. Americans don’t have universal healthcare because of the trillions of dollars and decades we spent earning that position. But whatever. Enjoy Crimea while you have it.
Trump was too busy being so corrupt with his own bullshit that the United States didn’t do its duty as the global protector of democracy
Crimea annexation was before Trump went into politics
I am very much enjoying watching them kicking your asses
I’m just glad that I’m not a piece of shit like you are.
Not really. As far as news coverage goes Israel doesn’t plan annexations as in integrating the regions into their state and claiming them as theirs.
Russia explicitly wants to annex crimea.
Classic case of the words have meanings and you are conflating them.
Smotrich calls for annexation of southern Lebanon as IDF strikes Lebanese bridges, homes
The comments by Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich were the most explicit yet by a senior Israeli official on seizing Lebanese territory in a fight Israel says targets Iran-backed Hezbollah militants.
Not a primary source, but good enough. I don’t know the finance minister of Israel but this is somewhat worrying. I guess the translation may have been bad/inaccurate as they may have meant seizing control (without seizing the legal title) which would not constitute annexation.
Controlling territory while in an (“illegal”) war is fundamentally different to an annexation.
Zionists have wanted to occupy south Lebanon up to the Litani for decades. The only reason they didn’t in 1948 is because they were preoccupied with the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
This is a proposal from 1916
Now with the settler takeover of Israeli politics this is becoming a reality.
merdaverseYes, Israel has never illegally settled territory outside their Western imperialist designated “state” borders. /s
Leave it to feddit.org to defend Israel. db0 wasn’t kidding about the zionist bar problem
I feel like people conflate words when talking about Israel painting them differently from reality.
There are many terrible things done by Israel, but let us not forget that there are even worse countries doing things that are terrible for different reasons.
The treatment of Palestinians is particularly hainous, but remember that there were worse genocides and more effective genocides this century. The bar to be the worst is incredibly terrible.
Against my better judgement, I’ll bite: what other genocide this century was worse and by what metric? Even if we assume there is such a thing, I don’t see how that’s relevant in justifying Israel. It’s like saying that you shouldn’t care about the Bosnian genocide because there are other worse ones on this artificial scale.
Tigray is worst from number of dead, for example. Muslims in China are suffering, but information is difficult.
If you feel like reading: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st-century_genocides
There are also cases where the methods were particularly cruel and ones where there are virtually no survivors.
I don’t really see how that’s relevant. In which of these genocides have Western governments been COMPLICIT by supporting the side doing the genocide? Providing the equipment and international support to carry it out?
It’s telling how the West has been very eager to label the Uyghur situation a genocide before any body was even documented (it’s since been quietly downgraded to a cultural genocide), but still has not acknowledged any of its own genocides of recent history or the ongoing one it’s supporting in Gaza. It’s pure political theater that serves the current geopolitical order.
Here is how the West in general treats the horrors it is responsible for (this is just from yesterday):
The west has been complicit in south Sudan by delivering the tools via the Arabs. The war in eastern Congo is fueled by our need for resources.
You hyper focus on one genocide as a beacon of inhumanity while ignoring the very severe suffering of other people and barely caring about them in the name of reducing the genocides. You are not achieving that.
How the fuck do you think you’re going to reduce genocides on the other side of the world when your fucking governments don’t even acknowledge the one they’re actively complicit in right now, or the ones it has committed in recent history?
Until US/Europe/the other vassals deal with their own imperialist history, nothing is going to change. It’s also ironic that you’re accusing me of ignoring severe suffering, while your first post here was actively defending Israel for invading foreign territory.
How did I or my ancestors have any part in the slave trade or benefit from them directly? Also that’s more than 3 generations in the past and the quoted resolution demands undue reparations. Africa and the South must be aided in their development and not be exploited, but that resolution seems to be made in a way where it’s goal was to be repealed. There is little merit in that.
The wealth of the West is created from centuries of colonial exploitation and imperialism. It’s the reason for unequal exchange: why you in the imperial core only have to work 1 hour to get the same pay as someone working 4 hours for the same job in the Global South (so that you can use the other 3 hours to post imperialist apologia on socials, in your case).
The wealth of the West (and capitalism) would not exist without the genocide and settlement of 3 continents, the enslavement of the 4th and the colonization of the 5th. Reparations are due, but the West has been more concerned with paying reparations to slave owners, for their loss of “property”, as in the case of the UK, until 2015, with public money out of taxes. Turns out they can really pay reparations when they want to, huh?
Ok, but the former colonies of my country have been paid reparations and there are very few and they were colonies for like 20 years.
And how am I or anyone alive responsible for the crimes of our ancestors. Generational punishment is inhumane.
You can of course critize today’s worth of labour.
“The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must”
We are back in a period of great power actors. I should brush up on my Thucydides.
We haven’t been out of that period for 200 years. The current set of actors are just more clumsy and less elegant.
The US seems to want to emulate 1800s Britain I guess.
Let’s hope the Luddites are more successful this time.
tomiantI think we should reconstitute the Levellers.
Fuck Russia, fuck Israel, fuck the United States, fuck China.
That is how get all the STIs.
At least I’ll be giving them to someone deserving then.
rockerface🇺🇦Sharing is caring, as they say
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LinkenNot to my knowledge, but they’d like to and don’t recognize Taiwan as separate from China.
Call me crazy, but that doesn’t feel as bad as
- invading Ukraine
- invading Iraq twice, bombing Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, bombing Yugoslavia, arming a genocide in Guatemala, invading Afghanistan, invading Vietnam, bombing Cambodia and Laos, funding a genocide in Indonesia, funding a genocide in East Timor, funding a genocide in Gaza
- invading all your neighbors all the time
Third one is Israel, got lazy.
I definitely think you’re right in that there are degrees to the evil these countries are perpetrating on the innocent.
I feel like the OP was just saying fuck X country who does evil, which is far from the complete list, haha.
Well, China didn’t invade anyone in the last decade because they’ve already annexed the territories they wanted. It’s not like Uyghurs and Tibetans stopped getting genocided because their territories are already internationally recognised as part of the PRC.
And they do fund multiple conflicts outside of their own country, like the aforementioned invasion of Ukraine.