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Judgment DaveSeriously can we stop fucking around and make a plan for when ICE starts arresting people at the polls?
It’s going to fucking happen and I see no indication that any of our leaders have a plan for this inevitability.
This IS going to happen.
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@davesdogmaggie They sure go to a lot of useless work. If they're going to cheat- they should not bother trying to hide their cheating- just steal the election and give their side 99%. That's what real authoritarians do.
Captain SuperlativeLawsuits, protests, resistance, panic, despair, repeat.
Not necessarily in that order.
@CptSuperlative These are ideas, not a plan. I’m not picking on you, I hope you see that. I’m just pointing out that we need a plan. And we need leaders to develop that plan / those plans.
I don’t feel picked on. I’m just not sure there’s much more officeholders can do.
We can continue to organize so that our resistance continues to strengthen.
Maybe have volunteer lawyers on hand to file masses of lawsuits?
Lots of people filming (not sure this one needs much organizing at this point).
I suppose the most important thing is that we encourage each other and stand in solidarity with each other to counteract the fear and avoidance these tactics are meant to elicit.
Do you have any other ideas or have you heard of any?
@CptSuperlative No. I don’t. This is beyond me.
CJPaloma might be hiking@davesdogmaggie washington and oregon are completely vote by mail. Absentee voting by mail is a good general remedy against this.
NM specifically banned armed federal law enforcement from polling sites earlier this month, other states might...But for regressive state legislatures, I dunno, it's probably gonna take a variety of tactics.
Going forward, and within institutions: it's fact that state legislatures with more women in them -tend- to mostly still be functional rather than corrupt
MsMeropeyeah, but they are going to try real hard to make vote by mail illegal
@MsMerope @davesdogmaggie of course they are.that's what abusive sacks of garbage do.
and all I can say is I'm not sure where the tipping point would be, but there -is- a point where folks will take matters into their own hands -outside- of institutions that clearly are not working for them any more. Me: I work every election day, so I'm still a bit of an institutionalist, but I certainly can sympathize with people who don't think many of the weasels in our systems are redeemable at this point
Jim Hubbell@CJPaloma @davesdogmaggie
Utah is completely vote by mail and has been for about 10 years with zero problems.
Utah is completely vote by mail and has been for about 10 years with zero problems.
@Dougfir @davesdogmaggie I did not know that. I wonder how many states are?
Micah@CJPaloma SCOTUS is deciding soon whether to overturn ballot grace periods that allow mail-in ballots to be counted if they were postmarked before election day but received a couple days after. Even if they don't overturn, the USPS this past December changed procedures such that the postmark date is likely not to be the date that you dropped off the mail. The only way to make sure is to get it hand postmarked at the USPS counter.
@cubspirit right, Laws ALREADY vary by state. In my state: mail in ballots have -always- had to be in the counting rooms by close of election day.
ballot drop off boxes are available for many places, (I know access can be difficult for some) I've personally used them about as often as US mail when I've done mail in voting.
another option is to hand deliver the filled out ballot to a polling site, which most jurisdictions do as well. I know it sort of defeats the purpose, but it's faster. 🤷♀️
oh and welcome to mastodon, new person with a new account.
notanowl@davesdogmaggie people sent to encampments as agitators after they declare midterms null due to unprecedented national emergency
@davesdogmaggie Multiple levels of planning and action will be necessary.
@hdunagan I’m SCREAMING for that.
This shit is going to happen in a single day. It’ll be over before it starts unless we have a plan to evict the brown shirts far from any polling places. Or more accurately, from key polling places.
Dopes The Frogman@davesdogmaggie part of the planning is getting a concealed carry, train with whatever weapon you'll carry, and sign up to be a legal observer for your county. The main objective is get as many people to the polls as possible, regardless of vote, and they need to feel safe to vote.
Pine Affinityyeah you can’t talk about it online
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DB@Pine_Affinity @davesdogmaggie “Planning” would also fall under the new regime definition of domestic terrorism and authorize (not that they need that) all types of surveillance on the planners and everyone else. I’ve had some sus accounts try to follow me. As someone said, get armed *now* and train as much as possible. Some states prohibit firearms at polling places. Also, a 9 mm handgun won’t cut it. iCe and Magats have ARs. Don’t be undergunned. #liberalgunowners #selfdefense #armyourfriends
Cassandrich@davesdogmaggie Lots of early/mail-in voting, and people on the ground ready to perform unarrests.
Flaming Cheeto@davesdogmaggie Well, we're not going to need to record and disseminate it because they will do that.
There just won't be enough of them to sway any election by *actual* voter removal so they need the intimidation to keep people away. They'll do a very public detainment at a polling place with early voting.
"See, we found illegals voting here therefore I'm sending freedom goons to these swing districts"
There just won't be enough of them to sway any election by *actual* voter removal so they need the intimidation to keep people away. They'll do a very public detainment at a polling place with early voting.
"See, we found illegals voting here therefore I'm sending freedom goons to these swing districts"
I agree that this is intimidation more than anything else. That's why I want to see a plan. You and me... we can only do so much. There needs to be some sort of preemptive measures.
How do you get folks to the polls safely if there's an ICE presence? I'm concerned that their very presence will scare away people who are entitled to vote but have skin that's not as white as mine.
We need a plan. A playbook. Officials at the ready. We have about 7 months to prepare.
Grassroots JoeVoting is local. Dealing with ICE had been & will continue to be local. Plans to protect the vote will need to be local too.
This Saturday's #NoKings3 will help prepare people to do what may be necessary on Election Day, defend the vote in person at the polls.
Meanwhile, everyone should push hard to get people to vote early whether in person or by mail/drop box wherever possible.
The fewer people left to vote an Election Day, the easier our task will be to protect them.
@davesdogmaggie Steve Bannon actually came out and ADMITTED that the deployment of ICE at airports was a test run for the midterms.
@hdunagan Yup. I saw that. That’s why I’m puzzled about the lack of discussion as to what we’re going to do about it. Not by you and me, but by our electeds.
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Steve Bannon is a purposefully destabilizing force. He's not coming out and admitting things, he's actively spreading any ideas he can think of to cause fear and unrest.
Steve Bannon is a purposefully destabilizing force. He's not coming out and admitting things, he's actively spreading any ideas he can think of to cause fear and unrest.
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I don't mean it's subterfuge. I mean he's not letting information slip out, he's actively trying to make it happen. We totally need a plan. At the very least to remind people about the tactics used against ICE so far.
I don't mean it's subterfuge. I mean he's not letting information slip out, he's actively trying to make it happen. We totally need a plan. At the very least to remind people about the tactics used against ICE so far.