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@nixCraft just imagine how good of a deal that will be once ai companies actually need to make money and the price rises by 10x or more lmao
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He's a cryptobro turned AI bro, he's being serious here, and he thinks this is an improvement.
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Celia Valdeolmillos@nixCraft He routinely posts things like these as bait to peddle his worthless and pricey slop, so even though he plays these off as jokes when called out, the fact he uses each and every one to sell doing exactly this betrays the fact he truly believes this obvious dissonance.
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[witchzard]@nixCraft It is a sad state of the world when I can't say whether this is meant seriously or sarcastically...
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TheTearMiser@nixCraft
Everytime we invent something there are a group of people who get left behind to continue to do things the way we used too... if you look at LLMs and think its a joke you are a fool.
Do you think these tools are gonna get worse over time or better? Learn it now or other people will and you'll be left with all your morals and no work.
AI slop comes from sloppy people. If your AI work is sloppy its your own laziness. Don't blame the machine.
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oooh, "learn" a natural language interface that shifts every week in its output, input, and flow.
And demonstrably causes cognitive decline.
Now *that* is truly time well spent. Truly an investment that surely will pay handsome dividends.
Verily we live in the Century of the Shrimp!
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I'm no longer paying for what I can make for free. I'm not alone. Long term we will win and you will lose this war just like the great systemd fiasco and all the ones before that. There is a balance between the ground and that tall ass fucking horse your tryna stand on. Its a pertty nice place to sit
Jordi@TheTearMiser @iinavpov @nixCraft no, mid term there will be a breakthrough in AI research that will shelve LLMs as a bad start. LLMs are a brute force solution, basically a cul de sac.
??? I fail to understand why you started your statement with No and then didn't disagree with anything I said...
I agree they are a brute force solution to a problem that they are actives solving themselves. GI will be here long before any of us are ready. Did we stop handsewing when we invented the sewing machine? Nope. Still a useful skill.
@TheTearMiser @nixCraft Yeah yeah, go sell your tokens somewhere else.
@doragasu
Funny how no one seems to be able to actually have an intellectual conversation about one of the largest inventions in mordern history without it falling to insults or nonsense like this.
I'm not selling for anyone. I don't suggest any corporate AI you have to pay for. You can run AI Local FOSS and for the cost of the equiptment. You can tool it to trust anything YOU want it to trust.
But no reject the new thing. That always has worked out well historically... right?
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Lillian Violet@TheTearMiser @doragasu @nixCraft Maybe it should have worked out, we sure are in a polycrisis including a climate catastrophe and pandemic because of the "inevitable progress of modern history". The issue is that you're taking a standpoint of inevitability without moral concern, when this is a moral discussion to most of the people at the other side. And all you're doing by being glib with "But no reject the new thing" is refusing to engage with valid criticism and pretending it doesn't exist instead, you're refusing to engage here not us.
@GLaDTheresCake @doragasu @nixCraft
A real response I love it. Ok...
In what way is it actually even a moral decision? Maybe if I could be helped to understand where your morals even are then I could see your side.
I don't see the connection between a new type of typewriter and the state of world being caused by mega-corporations or how the pandemic that was fuelled by political motivations
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft I don't like discussing with people that drank so much "Kool Aid" because they present sensational arguments without proof (like this inevitability argument of yours, how inevitable is AI revolution, as Sora maybe?) and tend to dismiss facts they don't like. But since you asked, here we go π€·ββοΈ. Let's discuss first the big elephant in the room for many of us actively rejecting things like Twitter and coming to Mastodon. Ethics. (1/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft There is no ethical use case for Generative AI. People blaming capitalism for the wrongdoings of GenAI are funny, because this is a tech that can only work on capitalist heavy scenarios: you cannot decouple GenAI and capitalism. Why? Because for these models to be somehow effective at what they do, they need to suck tons of resources (energy, chips, raw materials) and data, most of it copyrighted/licensed. (2/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft They are built on top of massive copyright violation and license infringement. And I include code licensing issues because for example if you train on freely available GPL code and the model spits some of it on a non GPL repo, you are infringing the license. (3/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft And this happens more than most people think (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/01/ai-memorization-research/685552/). Can you train your own model locally (and with patience) using a $7000+ RTX6000 and non copyrighted/licensed works? Sure, but first $7000+ is not cheap, and more important, good luck achieving the performance of any of these "frontier" models with your toy. People defending these kind of use cases and pretending the resulting model to be comparable to Claude are delusional. (4/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft In the end, these causes that only a handful companies can train frontier models, and for that they require massive hoarding of semiconductors, energy and raw materials, causing scarcity of GPUs, RAM, raw materials and energy pricing increase. They are greatly accelerating the climate collapse (with most countries backing off their emissions compromises as soon as the GenAI boom happened) and economical collapse. (5/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft
Setting ethics aside, about "inevitability". While I think GenAI is here to stay, I think their use cases are very very limited. First, it will not get much better unless someone makes a breakthrough discovery, and almost nobody is working that way, everybody is only trying scaling, scaling and scaling. And scaling gives you diminishing returns, it will not make models much better. (6/?)
Setting ethics aside, about "inevitability". While I think GenAI is here to stay, I think their use cases are very very limited. First, it will not get much better unless someone makes a breakthrough discovery, and almost nobody is working that way, everybody is only trying scaling, scaling and scaling. And scaling gives you diminishing returns, it will not make models much better. (6/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft Also GenAI companies have run out of training material, and Internet pollution with LLM generated content is a growing problem (read about "LLM Model Collapse"). Very worrying is also that companies offering GenAI services are losing money by the billions and there is no road to profitability (read from someone doing numbers like Ed Zitron). (7/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft Companies are heavily subsidizing GenAI, but at some point they will have to crank up the costs **a whole lot** to make money. And even subsidized, it is expensive. I have a friend working at a software company in which like many others, they forced GenAI usage two years ago. Now they have just published an internal memo asking devs to try not spending more than $500/month... (8/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft What do you think will happen here when companies ask what these services really cost and $500 allows to do a lot less? Yeah, I see you thinking "but prices will go down". And while there is some truth there, reality is that these services are more expensive by the day. Because the cost per token is going down and will likely continue this trend, but the number of tokens required grows exponentially. (9/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft (LRMs burn many more tokens, coding models require much bigger context windows, etc.).
But the funniest argument is the "you should learn to use this or will be left behind". This is aimed at causing FOMO, but is a really dumb argument when you think about it. These tools are designed to be easy to use, nobody would use them otherwise. (10/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft Do you really think some proficient guy doing coding will have problems catching up with how to use these tools when he decides/is forced to? Also the more you use GenAI the more your skills degrade, so I would be wary of using them too much, it has been proved LLM usage causes cognitive decline. (11/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft There's also these people stating you don't need to learn coding because the LLM will do it. But who do you think will be more efficient coding for example with Claude, someone that is an expert prompting but knows 0 about coding, or someone that is learning how to prompt but is skilled at coding? And that's just supposing these tools really increase productivity. (12/?)
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft All rigorous studies I have seen at trying to measure productivity of proficient users when using these tools show very modest increases if any. And at a high cost (for example on coding, you get a lot less understanding of the code base, so you are generating technical debt).
So here you have your "real answer". Enjoy. Or just tell ChatGPT to summarize it, I don't care π€·ββοΈ (13/13)
@doragasu @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft
I want to thank you for taking the time to write a real response. I'd like you to know I did not "run it through ChatGPT" and instead read it thoughtfully with a hope to gain knowledge. I'll also assure you I wrote every word of this. No AI here
I'd like to start with stating am also here for the same reasons as you and the differences seem to start and end at our understanding of LLMs. I think we are otherwise probably quite aligned
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@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft I have explained why it is not ethical. The "built on top of massive copyright violation and license infringement, sucks a massive amount of resources leading to a climate and economic collapse...".
@doragasu @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft
You just seem to state things like they are facts when they are not. Where is your proof of a lack of ethical use case? Where is the harm in using it to for instance study and learn a new skill?
If you believe in the freedom of information then your argument is busted on that front. Free means free. Sorry we pulled it all into one spot where people could get to it. If you have ever stolen a movie get off your horse...
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@doragasu @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft
I completely agree that there are 1000 ways to do this and most of them dont make any sense and that itsallveryOVERWHELING....
but stop... have a look at this thing we just invented... its gonna change how the next generation interacts with the world and we want to be on the forefront of safeguarding that.
Your right to say that there is a MASSIVE overcommit happening to intermediate product though
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@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft Is this tech continues the current trend, next generations are cooked. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them
@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft If this tech continues the current trend, next generations are cooked. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them
@doragasu @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft
General Artificial Intelligence is coming. Then it probably won't matter anymore...
I, for one, welcome our robot overlords and I hope that they welcome me too LMAO
if youd like to actually have this conversation my dms are open
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@TheTearMiser @GLaDTheresCake @nixCraft You should not believe a single word from the mouth of people like Sam Altman or Dario Amodei. For accurate data, you can read from researchers on the field like Gary Marcus. There is no sign that AGI is coming. Nobody knows how to reach AGI, and LLMs/LRMs are clearly not the way.
@TheTearMiser @nixCraft looked at it. Used it. Realised how bad it is, both in results and in social and environmental impact. So thanks, but no, thanks.
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disorderlyf@nixCraft To paying more per month than my total paycheck at some past jobs?
OP's wording was weird af and I misread that figure as their per-week cost.
Drive Not Found - Official@nixCraft oh I'll happily take left behind as I sit here with my Workbench 3.1 floppies and Red Hat Linux 5.2 ;)
stony kark@nixCraft not sure who this is but that could be very good satire?
Luke Kanies@stonykark @nixCraft I mean itβs very obviously a joke