No longer interested in talking about open source unless the conversation starts with how to build an alternate open source community without "AI code assistant" users contributing to it

@mcc Sadly the Copilot monster came to #FreeBSD on GitHub last week.

@bms48 @mcc Wait, how did copilot "come" to FreeBSD ?

@trashheap @mcc The LLM-driven entity is submitting AI slop bug reports and "reviews".

@trashheap @bms48 last I heard netbsd had done this but don't cite me

@mcc @trashheap @bms48 last summer FreeBSD leaned strongly towards no (see https://reviews.freebsd.org/D50650 ), but the more recent "accepted" change is weaker (see https://reviews.freebsd.org/D54817 ). I don't like the weasel words in the newer proposal, and the proposed "developer's guide" doc (which you have to be logged in to see) is overlong and makes it too easy to miss the actual point.

@fedward @mcc @trashheap You're not going to like this, but there are FreeBSD folk who are looking to leverage Generative AI, but in a very limited and targeted way, e.g. automated code reviews. We would aim to do it in a controlled way away from Microsoft's monopolistic interest as Douglas #Rushkoff predicted would happen. It isn't a strict go/no-go area. The UK CDPA act does offer copyright protection to GenAI content but the key test is originality (system prompts must be very specific).

@bms48 @fedward @trashheap My goal is to have no "genAI"-emitted code on my computer. If FreeBSD uses the lie machine to review code but not to write it, then I'd consider using FreeBSD, but would possibly not send PRs back upstream (the environmental impact of LLMs can be heavy and I'd prefer not to take any action that could result in an LLM query) and the idea of an open source project I can't contribute back up to is weird.