My desire to use Mastodon is basically at zero now because post-"Claude", hanging out here means inevitably I'm going to have a conversation with someone who tolerates, or even uses, "generative AI". And what's the point of being in a community where that's a risk. Interestingly* there is absolutely no chance of this on Bluesky, because there are artists there

* And oddly, given how "AI"-brained the *admins* there are

No longer interested in talking about open source unless the conversation starts with how to build an alternate open source community without "AI code assistant" users contributing to it
@mcc Sadly the Copilot monster came to #FreeBSD on GitHub last week.
@bms48 @mcc Wait, how did copilot "come" to FreeBSD ?
@trashheap @mcc The LLM-driven entity is submitting AI slop bug reports and "reviews".

@bms48 @mcc Ewww...

Last I heard FreeBSD was working on a draft policy. that was leaning towards actually banning LLM code. (This was discussed at BSDCan last year). That hasn't changed has it?

@trashheap @bms48 last I heard netbsd had done this but don't cite me
@mcc @bms48 YEAH NetBSD has, and im really hoping FreeBSD does the right thing and follow their lead.
@mcc @trashheap @bms48 last summer FreeBSD leaned strongly towards no (see https://reviews.freebsd.org/D50650 ), but the more recent "accepted" change is weaker (see https://reviews.freebsd.org/D54817 ). I don't like the weasel words in the newer proposal, and the proposed "developer's guide" doc (which you have to be logged in to see) is overlong and makes it too easy to miss the actual point.
@fedward @bms48 @mcc WELL fuck me.
@trashheap @bms48 @mcc yeah, I think "I considered it and decided I didn't care" is going to happen a lot if that policy goes into place. But the proposed change currently depends on a proposed doc that hasn't been approved, so maybe other people will agree with me that it's a shitty proposed policy and just decide not to accept it.
@fedward @mcc @trashheap You're not going to like this, but there are FreeBSD folk who are looking to leverage Generative AI, but in a very limited and targeted way, e.g. automated code reviews. We would aim to do it in a controlled way away from Microsoft's monopolistic interest as Douglas Rushkoff predicted would happen. It isn't a strict go/no-go area. The UK CDPA act does offer copyright protection to GenAI content but the key test is originality (system prompts must be very specific).
@fedward @mcc @trashheap It is something of an arms race. I have already punted on reviewing a code contribution made as a GitHub PR which was essentially a semi-vibe-coded TCP socket stats scraper. It didn't add much to the kernel itself, or the TCP stack, so we asked the submitter to submit it as a 3rd party kernel module in ports. Limited use of GenAI is exactly what Jensen Huang doesn't want, but it's the only economically viable application IMHO because of LLM shortcomings and limits.
@fedward @mcc @trashheap When I raised the issue of authorship and individual/SME IP rights being diluted or undermined on the internal list, one FreeBSD developer responded by calling me a "luddite" which showed only he hadn't seriously considered the intellectual property issues at all, or how to use GenAI for good without succumbing to greedy corporate interest. It is looking like local on-prem models may be the way forward, the stranglehold of OpenAI and Anthropic on the tech must be broken.
@fedward @mcc @trashheap Remember, in the UK things are very different from the USA. We have "fair dealing", not "fair use", and Microsoft/OpenAI's unauthorised training of Copilot and GPT on open source code released under ANY kind of license (BSD at one end, GPL at the other) is technically in breach of the Copyright, Designs & Patents Act 1988. IANAL but this is reflected in 6th March House of Lords report smacking Starmer etc down from giving in to FAANG interest. #GrandTheftAutoComplete