OK this is a stupid question, but why have Linux projects (apparently) fallen over themselves to comply with an age-recording statute in a single US state (albeit a large one), when those projects have been failing for decades to respect national and even international law regarding disability?

#accessibility #disability #linux #FreeSoftware #fascism #AgeVerification #infantilism

@iaruffell it's not true that it's on a single USA state, more countries are approving laws like this, and Brasil has since last week one that is in force. Also California is not just any state, that's probably where much of the business for FOSS companies is, so are a lot of the developers, and so are a lot of the users. There's nothing to be gaining by loosing all of that. The fight is at the legislatures and court level, will be won by making FOSS illegal for large parts of the world.
@DiogoConstantino @iaruffell Sorry but are there not relevent accessibility laws that are also not specific to a certain state or country? In fact they have been around much longer, so if anything, accessibility should be a higher priority.
@prism @iaruffell can you mention one that is not being followed? Or that would be a crime not to follow? or that would impact as many people? While I personally agree, it's not us who set the priority, neither are the developers.
@DiogoConstantino @iaruffell This is a curious statement. Who does set the priority of a free and open source project, if not the developer? Is that not the whole point?
@prism @iaruffell sometimes it's, other times, because we live in society, it's societal mechanisms such as the state.
@DiogoConstantino @iaruffell I'm curious where you feel accessibility falls, in this context. Is it a societal pressure that devs should feel a need to respond to? I assume you would consider the age verification laws and undue burden imposed by regulation. Yet, you also see a willingness to engage. Which is not really present for the disability laws. Why do you think that is?

@prism @iaruffell

1. numbness
2. I never saw an accessibility mandate that makes it a crime to disregard, and that will result in strong prohibitions/blocks it like these age verifications laws make it. These are a much greater threat to not comply.

@DiogoConstantino @iaruffell

1: What does this mean, "numbness?" "Complying with the law is hrd so we decided not to?"

2: Then you aren't looking very hard. From the EAA:

Here’s a list of the key penalties that might affect your business:
• One-time administrative fines ranging from €5,000 to €250,000+ per violation, depending on the severity of the issue.
• Ongoing daily fines up to €1,000 per day until the issue is resolved.
• The suspension of market access for non-compliant products and services until the issue is resolved.

The ADA also has enforced civil penalties, as does, well, every other law to ever exist. This being the nature of laws.

3: as I pointed out before, some of these laws are decades old, yet all I hear from the FOSS community is a bunch of fingerpunting and no action. These age verification laws are very new, some of them being actively fought in court or not even fully signed into law, yet here we see an instinctive response to jump for Palantir like a trained seal.

@prism @iaruffell the numbness that I observe is not so much a decision regarding complying or not, but not making a conscious decision and not taking much action.

It's considerate of others to not drop acronyms they many not know. So to those who don't know, EAA is the European Accessibility Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Accessibility_Act).
Fines don't necessarily mean crime, there are more types of law violations, in Portugal it's not a crime but the law defines fines.

European Accessibility Act - Wikipedia

@prism @iaruffell Also the requirements according to the EAA are relatively few.

By the way, I'm not defending this situation, I'm trying to explain why I see this being treated differently.

@prism @iaruffell some of these age verification laws, are already fully in force in some places.