tixnoucrazy stuff
GrailThis says a lot about the average carnist mindset. A lot of people have no idea their meat comes from dead animals. I think there would be a lot more vegans if people knew and were fully aware of the consequences
But did you know that to eat vegetables, you actually kill them? An innocent life form - dead, just so you can eat. How can you live with yourself?
insurrection"Vegetables don't care if they die, but animals do. Animals don't like dying."
there simply isn't proof for claims like this
I’ve got two questions for you:
Do you identify as a member of the kingdom animalia?
Do you wanna die?
say what you want to say. I don't care for your interrogation.
we have something we haven't been able to prove exists in any other animal: knowledge that we, ourselves, might die. animal cognitive behaviorists call this understanding personal mortality, and every time they get close to it, I've seen them go out of their way to say they don't have proof any other animal understands personal mortality.
if you have an animal cognitive behavioral study that claims otherwise, I'd be happy to read it.
An animal doesn’t need to understand dying in order to dislike it. You can just repeatedly stab a dog until it dies, and it will voice its displeasure. I’ve never done that, but I understand the science is quite firm on the matter.
this isn't proof of understanding personal mortality
Fortunately, I already moved the goalposts beyond the need for understanding. I said they don’t like dying, I didn’t say squat about understanding dying.
if you want to just live in your feelings about this instead of relying on the science, I can't stop you. but anyone else who reads this should understand that what you claimed simply isn't scientific fact.
So anyway, here’s the science on pain at slaughter
The results demonstrate clearly, for the first time, that the act of slaughter by ventral-neck incision is associated with noxious stimulation that would be expected to be painful in the period between the incision and subsequent loss of consciousness.
