OK this is a stupid question, but why have Linux projects (apparently) fallen over themselves to comply with an age-recording statute in a single US state (albeit a large one), when those projects have been failing for decades to respect national and even international law regarding disability?

#accessibility #disability #linux #FreeSoftware #fascism #AgeVerification #infantilism

@iaruffell it's not true that it's on a single USA state, more countries are approving laws like this, and Brasil has since last week one that is in force. Also California is not just any state, that's probably where much of the business for FOSS companies is, so are a lot of the developers, and so are a lot of the users. There's nothing to be gaining by loosing all of that. The fight is at the legislatures and court level, will be won by making FOSS illegal for large parts of the world.
@DiogoConstantino @iaruffell Sorry but are there not relevent accessibility laws that are also not specific to a certain state or country? In fact they have been around much longer, so if anything, accessibility should be a higher priority.
@prism @iaruffell can you mention one that is not being followed? Or that would be a crime not to follow? or that would impact as many people? While I personally agree, it's not us who set the priority, neither are the developers.
@DiogoConstantino @iaruffell This is a curious statement. Who does set the priority of a free and open source project, if not the developer? Is that not the whole point?
@prism @iaruffell sometimes it's, other times, because we live in society, it's societal mechanisms such as the state.
@DiogoConstantino @iaruffell I'm curious where you feel accessibility falls, in this context. Is it a societal pressure that devs should feel a need to respond to? I assume you would consider the age verification laws and undue burden imposed by regulation. Yet, you also see a willingness to engage. Which is not really present for the disability laws. Why do you think that is?

@prism @iaruffell

1. numbness
2. I never saw an accessibility mandate that makes it a crime to disregard, and that will result in strong prohibitions/blocks it like these age verifications laws make it. These are a much greater threat to not comply.

@prism @iaruffell I can give you two examples.

In Portugal, we have web accessibility mandates for government web sites, they are not followed on most cases, sometimes they even pretend to do follow to avoid loosing some of the financing, but there's no strong compliance checks, and no legal consequences are on the law for not following other than loosing some financing for the web site.

@prism @iaruffell this example is not about accessibility but open standards:

There's a mandate for the usage of open standards on state institutions (older than the EU Directive for the same purpose), there's no legal consequences on the law for not complying; therefore most institutions don't comply.

@prism @iaruffell we (Free Software advocates) in Portugal have and will continue to fight for change. We have achieved victories before, we will do it again. Our will is the strongest.

@DiogoConstantino @prism

There is a larger issue, beyond tech, of when disability law is followed or enforced. That would be a long post!

as far as the OS is concerned, Apple, especially, and latterly Microsoft have sought to make their offerings accessible, precisely because they make money in corporate and institutional contexts subject to equality law. Apart from a push by GNOME a decade or so ago, there has been no collective buy-in among FLOSS developers.