Four bendy buses managed to enter a roundabout at the exact same time from four different directions in Oslo yesterday afternoon and get properly stuck, each bus blocking the exit for the one behind it. #BigBusStuck

@eivind

Circle the wagons! We’re under attack!

@eivind the true first-world problem
@trochee @eivind the American mind cannot comprehend having this many buses on the road at once
@aburka @trochee @eivind Plus (until the incident): on time and not stuck in traffic.
@aburka @trochee @eivind the American mind can’t even comprehend a roundabout
@kasdeya @trochee @eivind @aburka Canadians call ‘em “rotaries”, a thing they fear. But Canberra (Oz) is Roundabout Central, and on Canada’s 104 Hwy I sailed through one where a hwy cop was timidly crawling through.

@kasdeya

@trochee @eivind @aburka We actually are starting to use roudabouts all over and even in some stupid spots.

@kasdeya There are thousands of rotaries in the US. But thanks for parroting an ancient trope that was never clever to begin with.
@kasdeya @trochee @eivind @aburka We have a ton of roundabouts near me in the Southern U.S.. They've exploded in popularity, but are terrible for areas with a lot of extra long vehicles, especially trucks.
@kimlockhartga
You can design them to allow extra-long vehicles to drive over parts of the middle circle, using “truck aprons”. Basically beveled edges instead of straight curb stones. That helps a bit.
@kasdeya @trochee @eivind @aburka

@kasdeya We can, but they're usually parked at a hub stop for 45+ minutes a time when they do.

@trochee @eivind @aburka

@kasdeya Depends regionally. Along highways like Route 66 or the Lincoln Highway that predate rural electrification, you can find the historically nasty intersections the highway turned in because a roundabout was deployed a hundred years ago and nobody struggles with it. And on Route 66, some of the slower signalized intersections have been converted more recently because it beats being on flashing red for a week after a thunderstorm.

@trochee @eivind @aburka

Same here in the former GDR. We have a good tram network which means that we need only few buses.

@aburka @trochee @eivind

@trochee @eivind (it's me, I'm the American mind, and I'm jealous of your problems)
@trochee @eivind why would it be a first-world problem? 🤔
@titia @trochee @eivind Only in very rich countries enough public transport exists that four buses can be at the same time in the same place like this.
@343max @trochee @eivind Forgive me for finding that a very funny idea. Have you ever visited Mumbai, for instance?
@titia
Or Philippines, or...
@343max @trochee @eivind
@beandev @343max @trochee @eivind as a general rule, the richer a country becomes, the more private cars you start to find, actually. (Which is a shame, of course.)
@titia @beandev @trochee @eivind It’s actually the opposite: in less developed countries you see cars everywhere and only when societies become richer they are willing to invest in more sustainable and more comfortable modes of transportation. If you go to poorer countries in Eastern Europe or Northern America you will see cars everywhere because public transport is so under financed that most people won’t use it.

@343max

Eastern Europe is the center of a huge market for used cars. I don't know what the situation is like in North America, but in Eastern Europe there is a large influx of used cars from Western Europe. In addition, rural areas have always been sparsely populated (probably similar to North America) and private mobility is easier for people to use than relying on public transportation.

@titia @trochee @eivind

@beandev @343max @trochee @eivind of course, rural areas are another matter altogether.
@beandev @343max @trochee @eivind in the Indian cities I've visited (not very many, admittedly), the traffic is a mixture of buses, cars, autorickshaws, motorcycles, bikes, the odd elephant. Buses are very much an integral part of the whole.
@titia Yes, exactly. As I said: no good public transport, only busses. In a few years they will have trams and commuter trains and subways as well. But right now they don't have it so people have to use private modes of transportation which usually means cars or motorcycles.
@343max Mumbai has also had commuter trains since time immemorial. Kolkata's tram network is the second oldest in the world. Delhi's subway is fairly new, granted, but my point here was that these cities have extensive public transport serving the very large part of the population that cannot afford a car.
@343max @beandev @trochee @eivind The streets of Beijing used to be full of bicycles, now they're full of cars.
@titia @beandev @[email protected] @trochee @eivind posing this as the real first world problem is partially subverting the idea of private owned luxury as a denominator of an 'evolved society/economy'. The actual luxury is not that more people can afford cars, it's that they don't need a car becaus public transportation is so good they have no reason to use anything else. So a bunch of public transport busses blocking each other is a true luxury problem, because it shows a high level of this luxury.
@trochee Indeed. I've been thinking this whole time, this is a first-world thread, too. Only very comfortable have either luxury.
@eivind @krismicinski that's amazing, you can see all of them holding a fork on their left
@secretasianman @eivind @[email protected]
Tell me you're a computer scientist without telling me you're a computer scientist.
@secretasianman @eivind @krismicinski The "advantages" of using lock-free structures without a verified proof of progress.
@eivind I had this game on Windows 98

@hellomiakoda @eivind this happens to me in openttd (with trains), usually caused by my placing signals too close together.

(Yes, I still play openttd, and no, I have still not learned to avoid it.)

@nxskok Yay, OpenTTD! It's my go-to game when I'm sick and need something to keep the fingers busy while brain and body want to relax.
@eivind I knew the Sicilian deadlock was a thing. Now, we have to add the Oslonian deadlock. 👍
@eivind
This is a proper deadlock. 👌
@eivind never saw a bus orgy before that
@eivind Did they let the philosophers take the wheels again?

I'd prefer if they kept to dining.

@icing @eivind

Dining philosophers problem - Wikipedia

@eivind I expected Aftenposten to have something to say about it, but apparently they didn’t notice
@eivind Forgive me for being rude, but I couldn't help but laugh. It looks like a fortress, it's so cool.
@kotaro @eivind At first sight I thought it was to capture the cars in the center.
@kotaro Expect this exact thing to pop up in some dumb action film in the near future. It'll be depicted as the 'genius' idea of some hero who's, like, 19 or something. And other 19-year-olds in the audience will be, like, "OMG! I saw that online! I'm a genius, too!"
@eivind A Monty Python skit waiting to happen. LOL
@eivind @MeierSchulze - warst Du dabei?
@doro @eivind Nein! 😂

@MeierSchulze
Ich dachte auch gleich an Dich. Das wäre doch mal ein achievenent.😎👍

@doro @eivind

@eivind years of playing Klostki tells me the solution is with the bottom bus
@eivind They are expecting an attack and have formed a defensive perimeter ;-)