I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.
https://www.tumblr.com/abbiistabbii/810110535568949248/the-germans-really-cooked-making-hobbyless
#hobbyless #hobbylos #HobbylessBehavior #HobbylosesVerhalten
@jorgecandeias ha! I love that!
@RevPancakes @stefan OK, so my lack of understanding isn't culturally based, but experience based.
See, I've been involved in fandoms for decades, and I know people deeply involved in football stuff, both things very hobby-centric.
And in both groups, there's jerks and jerk behaviours aplenty.
So yeah. Not a fan of the term here.
@jorgecandeias @stefan I’ve absolutely seen toxic stuff in fandom and hobbyist spaces but, at least in my experience, it’s usually a different type to what’s been called out here.
Fandom stuff tends to be over-invested and insistant rather than apathetic and belligerent.
@RevPancakes @jorgecandeias @stefan
"hobbyless" -> "don't you have something better to do"
@PacificNic Ha, yes, too many, in fact!
And I'm also not the kind of person who gets into other people's business, so I guess it works!
@PacificNic One might say that I do, yes. Quite a few of them, in fact.
I even managed to turn one of them into a carreer back in the early 2000s. So I guess I'm kind of a professional hobbyist now.
I like this phrase ‘hobbyless behaviour’, because it just gets to the nub of what so many vacuous one way comments are these days.
Being a keyboard warrior isn’t a hobby.
@stefan As a German I thought long and hard, what German phrase was meant.
My best guess is the question "Hast Du kein anderes Hobby?"
This is asked as question and has an even harder sting than the accusation of "hobbyless behaviour".
Because it ask "Don't you have any other hobby?" and therefore implies, that you made anti-social behavior to be your only past time.
@masek Found a bit more about this here:
"I'd say german teenagers were onto something when they used "hobbyless" as the default insult in the early 2010s"
"dutch teens still do this!!"
@stefan It does not say what the German teens said "in German language".
I am not a specialist for teen-speak, but "Hobbylosigkeit" (the direct translation) is something I have never heard in actual use.
@masek I think it's just "hobbylos"?
@[email protected] to be fair it was kinda late millennial / zelenial slang, I think Z and alpha didn't catch up on it
@nofuj I do see where you're coming from. Certain hobbies do require some level of privilege in terms of having free time and resources.
But I think this is really more about being so devoid of interests and inner life that you end up bothering others.
A hobby really can be anything that's not harmful to others, like strolling through a park, visiting a library. Doing things for your friends, family, and your community.
@stefan so, instead of "get a life", "get a (better[1]) hobby"?
[1] people might be making a hobby of this.
@stefan In the 90s in Norway, one of the most devastating insults was suggesting someone had "fritidsproblemer", literally meaning "spare time issues" (that is, finding nothing to do in your spare time). Although spare time is slightly broader than hobbies, it still sounds remarkably similar to the German insult. ❤️
(It sadly fell out of favour, but I feel it's due for a revival any day now.)
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