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ravenbrook 1d ago

Paul SomeoneElse

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2026 11:59:02 -0600
From: Theo de Raadt <[email protected]>
To: Renaud Allard <[email protected]>
cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [patch] ext4fs rw
In-reply-to: <[email protected]>

Renaud Allard <[email protected]> wrote:

> Maybe it should be made clear on the website that OpenBSD will only
> allow new code made by a human. Because I feel there might be more
> requests like this and there is no point in repeating the discussion.

Yes.

#openbsd

Paul SomeoneElse 2d ago

The context is NOT accepting code that has been output by an LLM.

So that is pretty close to a stance on OpenBSD NOT accepting LLM code.
(that "yes" is from the main guy)

Paul SomeoneElse 2d ago

Not that I had doubts :P
I just have seen people on here question it.

Paul SomeoneElse 2d ago

more:

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2026 12:07:32 -0600
From: Theo de Raadt <[email protected]>
cc: Renaud Allard <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: [patch] ext4fs rw
In-reply-to: <[email protected]>

Theo de Raadt <[email protected]> wrote:

> Renaud Allard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it should be made clear on the website that OpenBSD will only
> > allow new code made by a human. Because I feel there might be more
> > requests like this and there is no point in repeating the discussion.
>
> Yes.

If we point out that Copyright assumes human/artistic/creator output,
and that we depend upon various rights being specifically and legally
granted by the human/artistic/creator, then we barely need to say that
AI are not humans, and definately not able to legally grant the rights.

@pkw that's super succinct and clear... and hard to reasonably argue with. I'm going to try and copy that explanation when telling people I won't accept there LLM patches. I think this is the angle to lean into. Just tell them, it could endanger the copyright of the project, depending if the law keeps trending in the direction it has been with LLM copyright. So, it would be irresponsible for the future of the project to accept their patch, knowing it's LLM generated.

pmjv s klapkami na očích 2d ago

sweet ❤️

@pmjv @pkw jsem raadt, že je tomu tak

pmjv s klapkami na očích 2d ago

lel!

CC: @[email protected]

algernon.st 2d ago

@pkw of fucking course its that guy. he was talking mad shite about his language in the lisp discord and got defensive about it when we asked questions about its semantics and that. completely unsurprising he is trying to peddle AI within openBSD

algernon.st 2d ago

@pkw https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=177412083903778&w=2 completely normal conversation with yourself

'Re: [patch] ext4fs rw' - MARC

Björn Gohla 1d ago

@zardoz03 @pkw behold, a top poster

verified_blobcat

@pkw humans only? So they're cutting themselves off from an entire community of technical hardcore furries?

I expect the addendum allowing dragons and foxboys to commit any second now.

Yes, I know it's about the slopamatrons, but this is much funnier.

mirabilos 1d ago

@pkw oooooh!

/cc @thomholwerda

Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson 1d ago

@pkw isn't this what #openbsd is all about? Doing things slowly, correctly and with love and hard work?

Tim Chase 1d ago

alas, sometimes it's about doing things slowly, eventually correctly, and with insults and hard work 😑

(as felt from the perspective of one who recently reported a bug¹, got insulted with a "why tf would you do something stupid like that"-like response, only to have someone else follow up a few days later having confirmed the bug and providing a patch²)

⸻
¹ https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=177292971521972&w=2

² https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=177313399629279&w=2

'vnd0 device teardown: mount_vnd (failing) vs vnconfig' - MARC

Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson 1d ago

@pkw huh, yeah guys like Theo, Linus and the like are often not the best at human communications 🙂

Jackie Jude 1d ago

@pkw me strongly considering switching to openBSD in 2026 was not in my bingo cards!