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AI6YR Ben Mar 22

AP:It’s not just vaccines — parents are refusing other routine preventive care for newborns

"Medical mistrust is spreading beyond vaccines: Refusals of vitamin K shots for newborns have nearly doubled since 2017, alarming doctors nationwide.
Newborns without the shot are 81 times more likely to suffer potentially deadly bleeding, a preventable complication that once affected 1 in 60 babies."

(Better, non paywall link! Thanks Denise!)
https://apnews.com/article/babies-newborns-pediatricians-vitamin-k-hepatitis-b-erythromycin-9126463f0cb38b9778fb77bc0d071776

#healthcare #health #antivaxxers

New parents are shunning proven preventive care for their infants in effort to be 'natural'

Doctors across the nation are alarmed that skepticism fueled by rising anti-science sentiment and medical mistrust is increasingly reaching beyond vaccines to other safe and routine care for babies. A recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that refusals of vitamin K shots rose steeply between 2017 and 2024. Those shots can prevent potentially deadly bleeding. A subsequent research review found that U.S. parents who declined vitamin K shots were 90 times more likely to also refuse the hepatitis B vaccine and an eye ointment that can prevent potentially blinding infections. Pediatricians say these refusals put their youngest patients at grave risk.

AP News

FreddyB Aviation Photography

@ai6yr Yeah sadly I can directly attest to this. My wife also an RN works in a NICU and this is becoming more and more common.

The Vitamin K is critical to prevent bleeding and strokes
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/protective-vitamin-shots-newborns-decline

And the eye ointment? TO prevent pink eye or anything else (at that age it can result in blindness) they picked up while being born.

https://www.aao.org/education/clinical-statement/use-of-erythromycin-in-prevention-of-neonatal-opht

These parents should have to put money in escrow to cover these avoidable problems.

Why? If a kid has a stroke, the odds are long if they can ever go home. We can send INCREDIBLY medically complex home and our incredible parents can do amazing things (I am talking ventilators, feeding tubes et al.) but some cannot and these go to nursing homes. We become very close to the families because we are their ride home for every procedure, every admission and the like. The sad reality is this level of care will costs 10's of millions over the course of this kiddo's life Maybe these imbeciles should put their money where there ignorance is

Protective vitamin shots for newborns on decline

Scientists identified an ongoing drop in newborns receiving a vitamin shot that helps to prevent dangerous bleeding.

National Institutes of Health (NIH)

MsMerope Mar 22

yeah, but until it actually happens to THEM - it won't happen....

MsMerope Mar 22

@cvvhrn @ai6yr
this one hit hard
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VK9GgrPwp2s

Doctor calmly tries to explain risks to anti-vaccine parents | The Pitt | BINGE

YouTube

MsMerope Mar 22

WOULD YOU PUT YOUR DAMN PHONE AWAY!

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@MsMerope @cvvhrn "let's wait and see if he gets better" 😬

MsMerope Mar 22

@cvvhrn @ai6yr this one was good too... lol

down the youtube rabbit hole we go

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZIMW20DovV0

Clever doctor turns the mask debate back on a patient | The Pitt | BINGE

YouTube

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@MsMerope @cvvhrn LOL

FreddyB Aviation Photography Mar 22

@MsMerope @ai6yr God, How did we get to this point?

Did vaccines create this issue? I mean before herd immunity maybe these nutters had a Darwinian Seed Propagation Failure via offspring demise from preventable Illness or DSPFVODFPI

MsMerope Mar 22

@cvvhrn @ai6yr
devaluation of education and critical thinking?

a fear of cognitive dissonance?

NEW IDEAS???? 😱😱😱😱😱😱

GhostOnTheHalfShell Mar 22

@cvvhrn @MsMerope @ai6yr

The Koch brothers. The same damn rich people who funded cigarette misinformation, climate misinformation, and science skepticism.

These people hate public health, because they have the pesky habit of identifying their deadly products.

The very worst of them are a freaking extinction cult. What do you think AI in robots replacing everybody is for, or more practically what all the surveillance in population control surveillance awards is for?

These guys hate everyone

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn @MsMerope That last line is very true. At least, my small sample of billionaires I know or have run across, a chunk of them definitely hate everyone. (not all, mind you... but more "terrible people" than "good people" the more money people have, for sure).

MsMerope Mar 22

@ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn

they're like Smaug - all us peasants are a threat to their hoard.

FreddyB Aviation Photography Mar 22

@MsMerope @ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell are you TRYING to short out my monitor? LOL

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@MsMerope @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn I mean, essentially this is M*sk, he's got so much money he can't possibly spend it all in his lifetime, yet he must have more.

FreddyB Aviation Photography Mar 22

@ai6yr @MsMerope @GhostOnTheHalfShell Man if there was only a way to monetize my dated pop culture references

ITS NEVER ENOUGH!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDD1tW59Mjg

Wall Street (5/5) Movie CLIP - How Much is Enough? (1987) HD

YouTube

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@cvvhrn @MsMerope @GhostOnTheHalfShell Ah, yes.

Rich Stein (he/him)6d ago

@cvvhrn @ai6yr @MsMerope @GhostOnTheHalfShell
"How Much Is Enough" is the name of a book first published in 2012 by Keynes' biographer and his son. Here they are in conversation:
https://youtu.be/bii_Kqrxksg

Link to a review of the book. It (the book) is a good read — and dense in parts and British in its outlook (I'm sure I'm selling you on it! 😂) https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jun/29/how-much-is-enough-skidelsky-review

How Much is Enough? Money and the Good Life -- by Robert and Edward Skidelsky

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MsMerope 6d ago

@RunRichRun @cvvhrn @ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell

🤔

Good enough's not good enough
Don't complain that you've got it tough
With all you have your life's a bore
Can't relax you want so much more
Blind needs won't set you free
Can't you see that
Time is slipping away?
But I got to say

CHORUS
How much is enough when your soul is empty?
How much is enough in the land of plenty?
When you have all you want and you still feel nothing
How much is enough, is enough?
....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xcuGBQWswg

The Fixx - How Much Is Enough?

YouTube

MsMerope Mar 22

@ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn
a little OCD maybe?

but instead of stamps or baseball cards - it's wealth. 🤷‍♀️

GhostOnTheHalfShell Mar 22

@MsMerope @ai6yr @cvvhrn

I listen to audiobooks of Tolkien’s legendarium, his depiction of evil either as Morgoth or Sauron, is very apt for the time we are living in

MsMerope Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @cvvhrn

The Mind's Eye did a radio serialized version of the hobbit, lotr, and I think they also did the silmarillion or that was the BBC 🤔

BBC also did a version of the hobbit and lotr; however I prefer the Mind's Eye version.

back in the day an NPR station out of san jose (KCSM?) diid "Reader's Theater on Sunday nights.
Tolkien
Star Wars
Hitchhikers
Jack Flanders
X -1
Canticle

and others I'm probably forgetting.

@cvvhrn @MsMerope @ai6yr partly we got here through over-medicalisation of birth and related trauma.

Men with qualifications believe they understand childbirth better than the women who go through it. They act like educated men often do, and disregard the thoughts and feelings of women in their care. While birth may be safer on paper, women are often subjected to unnecessary interventions and have their hopes and opinions ignored and overruled. Then they get their trauma dismissed because "at least the baby is healthy".

Women who go through that often lose faith in the medical establishment. Very soon, the same people who traumatised them are telling them what they "must" do to their babies. And every fibre of their being is desperate to protect themselves and their children from further harm. Alternatives can seem very attractive.

GhostOnTheHalfShell Mar 22

@MsMerope @cvvhrn @ai6yr

I keep thinking of that quote from Larry Niven in one of his essays in “all the myriad ways”

Think of it as evolution in action.

It’s not pretty and it’s not nice but it’s hard to avoid the truth of it

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @MsMerope @cvvhrn LOL well, they're about to do a true Darwin on themselves (ie if you're killing off your kids, or killing yourself before you have kids, that is true Darwin effect).

GhostOnTheHalfShell Mar 22

@ai6yr @MsMerope @cvvhrn

There’s been a packed field for Darwin awards for some years now

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @MsMerope @cvvhrn 🤔

Frank Heijkamp Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell
I pity the jury of the Darwin Awards now there are so many more candidates to shift through. I mean seriously, how do you reduce all of this to a somewhat manageable short list?
@ai6yr @MsMerope @cvvhrn

FreddyB Aviation Photography Mar 22

@alterelefant @GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @MsMerope You just gotta let Darwin Darwin #Innaturalselectionwetrust

Marianne Mar 22

@cvvhrn @alterelefant @GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @MsMerope nope, again, stop with this, I am begging everyone.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/occams-corner/2013/may/09/evolutionary-theory-gone-wrong-darwin

Evolutionary theory gone wrong

Sylvia McLain: Survival of the fittest? Darwin wasn't the first to say that

The Guardian

Frank Heijkamp Mar 22

@noodlemaz
The absolute sadness of anti-vaccer parents is that they are hurting their children beyond repair. The measles, polio and the like are not something people should joke about. Without the protection of a vaccine these infections diseases can change young people's lives in a very bad way.

What we do allow ourselves to do is ridicule these parents for their outrageous stupidity. See it as our way to mentally process those people's choices.
@cvvhrn @GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @MsMerope

GhostOnTheHalfShell Mar 22

@alterelefant @noodlemaz @cvvhrn @ai6yr @MsMerope

The effects go beyond their children, though, because herd immunity. Their choice also affects other people’s children.

Frank Heijkamp Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell
That is indeed correct. Their bad choices affect society as a whole, putting everyone at risk. However it is foremost their own children who suffer from the consequences. Although reduced herd immunity for society is definitely a thing to worry about, it is the fate of those children that scares me personally the most.
@noodlemaz @cvvhrn @ai6yr @MsMerope

GhostOnTheHalfShell Mar 22

@alterelefant @noodlemaz @cvvhrn @ai6yr @MsMerope

Parents doing something antithetical to the idea of parenthood. Any child that dies from what somebody else has inflicted on them is cruel and inexplicable

Marianne Mar 22

@alterelefant @cvvhrn @GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @MsMerope I think there are better ways, is my point. I know where you're coming from. But talking - as commenter after me said - as if their choices stop with them, or indeed their children, is wrong. Not just morally, factually. Laughing at people never changes their minds. And I know how hard it is not to do, I've been here long enough.

Pamela Barroway – Biz Editor Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @MsMerope @cvvhrn

True story: in 2007, the hub & I were interviewing doulas during my third trimester with our one-and-done. All was going well with the first until she talked excitedly about how her 6 kids all had *natural immunity* to chicken pox, measles, etc etc bc of *healthy living.* 😱 We looked at each other & hub says, That's not how immunity works. (His dad is a pediatrician.)

End of interview. Next!

AI6YR Ben Mar 22

@PamelaBarroway @GhostOnTheHalfShell @MsMerope @cvvhrn 😱 I wonder if she washes her hands or doesn't believe in germs.

FreddyB Aviation Photography Mar 22

@ai6yr @PamelaBarroway @GhostOnTheHalfShell @MsMerope Um excuse me "germs" you cannot prove there are germs. Disease Demons? I can speak with full authority

Pamela Barroway – Biz Editor Mar 22

@cvvhrn Ha! Right?!? I mean, that's kinda where the discussion was going. It was our first experience with the antivax / crunchy mom movement and man was it an eye-opener!

@ai6yr @GhostOnTheHalfShell @MsMerope

GhostOnTheHalfShell Mar 22

@PamelaBarroway @cvvhrn @ai6yr @MsMerope

I am looking at the urban dictionary definition of the sort of things crunchy moms do.. no I wouldn’t mind growing vegetables and I don’t wear shoes indoors, especially.. but the rest of the stuff I’ll take a pass

Pamela Barroway – Biz Editor Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell If it was just about having an extensive home garden or cleaning with common household products like vinegar that would be fine ... but it became so much more, as you discovered.

@cvvhrn @ai6yr @MsMerope

MsMerope Mar 22

@cvvhrn @ai6yr @PamelaBarroway @GhostOnTheHalfShell
attack of the killer miasma

MsMerope Mar 22

@ai6yr @PamelaBarroway @GhostOnTheHalfShell @cvvhrn ew

Marianne Mar 22

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @ai6yr @MsMerope @cvvhrn this stuff needs to die.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/occams-corner/2013/may/09/evolutionary-theory-gone-wrong-darwin

Evolutionary theory gone wrong

Sylvia McLain: Survival of the fittest? Darwin wasn't the first to say that

The Guardian