I'm with @BrodieOnLinux on this one: if you're against all of this #ageverification shit, don't go complain to the developers who are trying to avoid potential legal issues (maybe some are rushing, but that's another argument), but go complain to the stupid politicians working on these laws. Call them up and say "if you make this pass, I'm not voting for you anymore" or anything to make them change their mind, which is the right way to solve the problem.
@yakumo_izuru Violence is NOT the answer. It's going to make us look even worse.
I'm all for calling them, and finding other ways to fight this fuckery, but i don't think... violence is one.
Two wrongs don't make a fucking right, i thought we learned this when you are like, 10.
@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux naive take. Politicians don’t care about votes anymore. It’s lobbyist money that buys their seats.
Speaking on systemd specifically, there is absolutely nothing compelling systemd to do what they did. They are not an Operating System provider. Poettering does not live in California (or even America). This preemptive compliance. The way in which systemd has acted as a project is disgusting (smacking down and censoring opposition, refusing to even discuss it with the wider user base).
@ret @BrodieOnLinux what would you do then? Publicly protest? Burn the politicians' houses?
systemd is only providing a generalized way to store the user's age (which can be used for other things as well) that integrates with the already existing userdb functionality.
Also, they are not censoring anything, the PR comments are not the proper place to discuss (or rather complain the same way without adding anything new to the table) age verification, Poettering said so at 14:33 in the video.
@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux cool, so maybe it should have been discussed in the original PR? Oh wait that got shut down too. Anyone contesting it got called “spam”. The “oh it can be used for lots of stuff” argument is rubbish - it was added for AV. Stop defending this stuff. It’s creeping fascism and you’re beckoning it in.
The solution to this was to add a clause to the license file that says use of the software is expressly prohibited in jurisdictions that require age verification. Soon as that hits Silicon Valley there will be some pressure on lawmakers to make good.
@ret @BrodieOnLinux I never said they faced issues now, I'm saying they want to avoid potential issues in the future.
systemd is not an init system.
Show me examples of such FOSS projects.
@gianmarcogg03 "void where prohibited by law"
@gianmarcogg03 @ret @BrodieOnLinux oh come on stop it with this sandboxing bullshit.
Are sandboxable SERVICES that are run from other contexts... nginx, redis, nextcloud server and things like that => on a laptop or desktop this is pure nonsense.
You don't sandbox firefox, thunderbird, google chrome... which are the real problem because these will be required to share the information with online services... the time to look right and left it will be on you.
@gianmarcogg03 @ret @BrodieOnLinux you put sensitive data on file system and run apps that you dont trust and that will steal them for sure ? Let me doubt.
But that's exactly what you are selling to each of us => a system to put birth date accessible to all local apps (unless of course you only use those flatpacks... very unpractical and that will only endure until changes are made to allow access to birth date from within the containers)
@maat @ret @BrodieOnLinux I don't run apps I don't trust outside of a sandbox. However software you trust with full system access could have a security flaw, so I run most of them in a sandbox anyway. Access to the birth date would probably be asked to the user anyway through a portal.
Flatpaks are not unpractical for most uses. They surely have their problems and there is some software I prefer as a traditional distro package, but most are either outdated or exaggerated by the typical /g/ mob.
@gianmarcogg03 @ret @BrodieOnLinux It's like putting on a diving suit because your boat's leaking… I'd rather just stay dry in a boat that doesn't leak.
There are less ugly ways to deal with that. I already gave one for example : https://mastodon.social/@maat/116268107012196812
@gianmarcogg03 @ret @BrodieOnLinux show me a flatpack build AND TESTING system that can compete with Debian's.
I'm going to prepare sandwiches, i suspect that time will be long.
@gianmarcogg03 @maat @ret @BrodieOnLinux in france , we called that "collaboration"
In free software, there is "FREE" 🤷♀️
@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux you can say explicitly :
I love dictatur
Instead your actor playing 🤷♀️
So you don't have the guts to stand by your opinions, even though the government is on your side????
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