I'm with @BrodieOnLinux on this one: if you're against all of this #ageverification shit, don't go complain to the developers who are trying to avoid potential legal issues (maybe some are rushing, but that's another argument), but go complain to the stupid politicians working on these laws. Call them up and say "if you make this pass, I'm not voting for you anymore" or anything to make them change their mind, which is the right way to solve the problem.
@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux naive take. Politicians don’t care about votes anymore. It’s lobbyist money that buys their seats.
Speaking on systemd specifically, there is absolutely nothing compelling systemd to do what they did. They are not an Operating System provider. Poettering does not live in California (or even America). This preemptive compliance. The way in which systemd has acted as a project is disgusting (smacking down and censoring opposition, refusing to even discuss it with the wider user base).
@ret @BrodieOnLinux what would you do then? Publicly protest? Burn the politicians' houses?
systemd is only providing a generalized way to store the user's age (which can be used for other things as well) that integrates with the already existing userdb functionality.
Also, they are not censoring anything, the PR comments are not the proper place to discuss (or rather complain the same way without adding anything new to the table) age verification, Poettering said so at 14:33 in the video.
@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux cool, so maybe it should have been discussed in the original PR? Oh wait that got shut down too. Anyone contesting it got called “spam”. The “oh it can be used for lots of stuff” argument is rubbish - it was added for AV. Stop defending this stuff. It’s creeping fascism and you’re beckoning it in.
The solution to this was to add a clause to the license file that says use of the software is expressly prohibited in jurisdictions that require age verification. Soon as that hits Silicon Valley there will be some pressure on lawmakers to make good.
@ret @BrodieOnLinux I never said they faced issues now, I'm saying they want to avoid potential issues in the future.
systemd is not an init system.
Show me examples of such FOSS projects.
@gianmarcogg03 @ret @BrodieOnLinux @yakumo_izuru ok. Here is some other ways that are very legal and effective then just fucking violence, or just giving it in. you all.
Two major ways.
Number 1. Going outside and protest on front of the government. Putting ads, like billboards probably wont work because they'll just straight take it down.
Number 2. Getting rid of the big companies tax exemption status, like roblox, or discord, or hell, even facebook. Sounds dull at first, but trust me, thats going to hurt them. Since they now have to worry about spending even more money on both lobbying AND paying their taxes.
Other ways is probably convince different companies to blackout their website for at least a day, or until the big bros decided to drop the bill, or repel it. Remember #SOPA?
Donating to @eff (which my dad has done), contacting your representatives, (which you probably have already done), spreading information about it outside of fedi could also help as well.
I can't garentee that this any of this going to work though, (so please... take this with a grain of salt) but its worth a shot.
You might also want to check these out:
https://protectkidsnotplatforms.org/
https://eff.org/age
https://encryptitalready.org/
Gianmarco Gargiulo
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