I'm with @BrodieOnLinux on this one: if you're against all of this #ageverification shit, don't go complain to the developers who are trying to avoid potential legal issues (maybe some are rushing, but that's another argument), but go complain to the stupid politicians working on these laws. Call them up and say "if you make this pass, I'm not voting for you anymore" or anything to make them change their mind, which is the right way to solve the problem.

https://youtu.be/-5AcreFk40U

We Need To Talk About The Systemd Birth Date Situation

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@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux naive take. Politicians don’t care about votes anymore. It’s lobbyist money that buys their seats.

Speaking on systemd specifically, there is absolutely nothing compelling systemd to do what they did. They are not an Operating System provider. Poettering does not live in California (or even America). This preemptive compliance. The way in which systemd has acted as a project is disgusting (smacking down and censoring opposition, refusing to even discuss it with the wider user base).

@ret @BrodieOnLinux what would you do then? Publicly protest? Burn the politicians' houses?

systemd is only providing a generalized way to store the user's age (which can be used for other things as well) that integrates with the already existing userdb functionality.

Also, they are not censoring anything, the PR comments are not the proper place to discuss (or rather complain the same way without adding anything new to the table) age verification, Poettering said so at 14:33 in the video.

@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux cool, so maybe it should have been discussed in the original PR? Oh wait that got shut down too. Anyone contesting it got called “spam”. The “oh it can be used for lots of stuff” argument is rubbish - it was added for AV. Stop defending this stuff. It’s creeping fascism and you’re beckoning it in.

The solution to this was to add a clause to the license file that says use of the software is expressly prohibited in jurisdictions that require age verification. Soon as that hits Silicon Valley there will be some pressure on lawmakers to make good.

@ret @BrodieOnLinux let's say you don't like "know your customer" laws: would a FOSS project doing KYC for donations, even if it's through a third party service like PayPal or Stripe, make you think that the project is bad and fascist?
@gianmarcogg03 @BrodieOnLinux awful strawman. There’s a risk of fraud there and a legitimate reason to do KYC. There’s absolutely no need for an operating system to collect or store personal data though.
@ret @BrodieOnLinux yet you can configure a user account with your full name, profile picture and other information. It's all optional, but it's there.