☃️karolherbst☃️FOSS is the worst of all communities, seriously
Jordan Petridis@karolherbst Imagine being worse than gamers
@alatiera people in the MAGA/Linux crowd being super supportive towards each other and make coordinated "actions" against the ones they think are "bad", because they can put differences aside vs whatever this is *waves violently* and then people wonder why MAGA/Linux gains traction.
Danielle Foré@karolherbst conservative movements will always appear more accepting because they are built on cognitive dissonance, misinformation, and are fundamentally reactionary and exist to prevent things from getting done. They have no need to build consensus because they’re not trying to achieve anything. We’re fighting with the unfortunate constraints of having to be logically consistent, have principles, and actually have goals and do things that take effort and require team work
@danirabbit I question that it's actually what matters tho. Those often feel like artificial constraints we put upon ourselves. Like not disagreeing that fundamentally we should be able to prove why it's the better direction, but good arguments won't let you win a debate if the other side has a good story to tell.
@karolherbst that’s why you never debate Nazis. You can’t win a game of chess against a pigeon. They’re not playing a winnable game, they’re just in it for chaos and destruction
@danirabbit for sure, but what I meant is that people saying "IBM/Red Hat is behind all of this" is a good story that sticks and there is no way to confront it via plausible/logical arguments. But rather we need to build up counter narratives that feel much better than a conspiracy theory.
Of course we shouldn't make stuff up, but it is possible to also create good stories ourselves and those are more effective than arguments.
@karolherbst it’s like we’re trying to build a house and we have to create consensus and make decisions about the materials and floor plan and do things to code and raise funds.
They don’t have to agree on anything except “don’t build a house”. So their tent can include people who think houses are too expensive and people who think houses are the work of satan or give you cancer or turn you gay. It doesn’t matter. They don’t need to agree because they’re not trying to achieve anything
@karolherbst they’ve gotten really good lately at singling out the people that care about building to code and turning to the budget folks and going “building to code is expensive! You should hate those guys!” for example.
It would be a lot easier if we could at least get everyone on our side to say, “Hey maybe we shouldn’t listen to the guys on team don’t-build-a-house” but it’s constantly instead “well I want to build a house but they sure have a good point about plumbing being woke and gay”
@danirabbit abusing everybody's fear is sure an effective way to rally up people against something.
And I wished I had a good answer what to do about this, because you can't really do much about emotional behavior like this.
It's just part of the entire "turn everything shit, so people act more impulsively and stop thinking" thing everybody can fall victim to.
And I'd gladly do everything possible to address those fears, sadly... there isn't really much we can do individually anyway.
@danirabbit well except thinking about how to turn this around and have our own positive messaging and why we do this and why everybody else should as well.
@karolherbst right now we’re cunt deep in “Well the code requires us to now use electrical outlets with GFCI in the living room? Which is dumb but we have to do it” and the don’t-build-a-house people screaming “oh my god they want to control how you use electrical outlets and you’re just building the trains to the gas chambers” and FOR SOME REASON a bunch of people being like “oh my god you’re right if they’ll put GFCI in the living room next they’ll put cameras in the bathrooms!”
Sriram "sri" Ramkrishna - 😼@danirabbit @karolherbst everything is one step away on the road to fascism and totalitarianism. People's reactions to digital health this past release was enlightening.
bluca@danirabbit @karolherbst @alatiera this a 1000 times. The only correct answer when the MAGA/Linux crowd shows up: lock -> report -> block -> delete