KFears 🏳️‍⚧️&22h ago
luna the doggie  
The Linux age verification shit where suddenly upstreams everyone relies on are complying in advance is just another day of US having disproportionate power in setting standards for tech that everyone then has to follow.
Mar 21 at 11:30amWeb
Show threadluna the doggie  1d ago
DNS? the root of control is in the USA, most gTLDs owned by huge corporations.

TPM2? doesn't support arbitrary EC curve parameters as a baseline entirely because only supporting the NSA ones makes it easier to comply with US export control laws for companies based there.

there's probably a lot more but this is just off the top of my head

I heard opinions that with a lot of standards initiatives decisions are largely made during in-person meetings in the US so if you cannot participate for any reason your voice is excluded. Seems about right seeing how everything looks like.
Show threadDźwiedziu1d ago

@lunareclipse
DNS has a lot of tools in it's environment to safeguard from that. Basic adblocking for instance.

Tools good and bad, but kind of goes with the territory of an old, open protocol.

TPM in Linux at least can be not used and it's harder to get rid of, unless you have it on a separate daughterboard. Unless it can be desoldered.

Yet I do agree that both are status quo problems problems.

Show threadluna the doggie  23h ago
@dzwiedziu not using TPM isn't a solution, TPMs are a useful tool and I am specifically pissed about the implementation details in ones that aren't custom made for some other governments are very US-centric
Show threadDźwiedziu23h ago
@lunareclipse
So… you've just handed me a rabbit hole to dig in, as I'm reading up on DIY TPMs and limits on TPM chips themselves.
Show thread   14h ago

@lunareclipse Icann is a US-based organisation, with former links to the US government

There is no oversight of the Internet that is truly international nor bound by international laws. It is not treated as the common heritage of our civilisation

Show threadluna the doggie  13h ago
this thread exploded way over expectations so I'm muting it
Show thread🌸 Ⓐnarkitty lumi-nhac  1d ago
@lunareclipse it also shows how fast many people are to dismiss ethical issues if it ever becomes inconvenient ​​
Show threadEve 1d ago
@lunareclipse I wonder how much of this is developers going "eh, it's not that bad, not worth fighting over", versus how much of it is them really having no choice.

Like, if tomorrow California (or more likely the federal US) starts requiring OS to actually spy on their users for the government, will the Linux community put up more of a fight ? Probably, but I don't know how it would play out then.
Show threadprincess pancake ​1d ago
@evening @lunareclipse arguably because they're just as tired of all the shit
Show threadluna the doggie  1d ago
@evening a notable argument I've seen repeated is "well it's likely other countries will start implementing similar policies soon" as if that is somehow a reason to immediately comply.

System76 is lobbying for exceptions for open source right now and keeps asking to hold off implementing anything preemptively in case they succeed. Clearly this is being ignored.

Forcing an age prompt into installers for everyone is frankly fucking ridiculous, and is exactly what the people pushing this are doing right now, judging by the PR to archinstall.
Show threadEve 1d ago
@lunareclipse It is ridiculous but it's also fairly harmless. I can understand the logic of a maintainer who doesn't want to deal with the question of "do I risk a lawsuit if I don't do this" and prefers to just do it, and maybe remove it later if it turns out they can.
Show threadDźwiedziu1d ago

@lunareclipse
Wait, it got into Linux itself?

Or we're still talking about the megalomaniac systemd?

@ozzelot

Show threadluna the doggie  23h ago
@dzwiedziu @ozzelot systemd but I am personally not interested in alternatives that often have minimalism as a goal when I actually do use a lot of the systemd features
Show threadDźwiedziu23h ago

@lunareclipse
I've learned to understand that, being a systemd “hater” all those years. So today I have a whiplash.

So hope for `systemd-rest-of-the-world-ctl` I guess?…

@ozzelot

Show threadLuna Ruby Artemis 💛🤍💜🖤21h ago
@dzwiedziu @lunareclipse @ozzelot If I understand it correctly, there were several attempts on different levels (xdg-desktop, systemd, something else).
Show threadDźwiedziu19h ago

@arina
> something else

polkit, IIRC

@lunareclipse @ozzelot

Show threadSobri | Zoe (she/her)23h ago
@lunareclipse it's time to fork.
Show threadLuna Ruby Artemis 💛🤍💜🖤21h ago
@lunareclipse Heck, it's not even USA, it's *one state*.
Show threadNova14h ago
@lunareclipse (💜 Marielle) My thoughts exactly. I'm especially concerned because the legal landscape my system might be dealing with is not good..

RE: https://enby.life/notes/ak4doet64h