nixCraft 🐧1d ago
systemd lost the plot a long time ago. they stopped following the Unix philosophy and now they're busy adding nonsense like age verification. Just like Firefox, systemd doesn't understand its core user base. There are plenty of distros without systemd
Show threadNazo1d ago

@nixCraft It really has been taking a very wrong direction for quite some time. Lots of bloat and unnecessary components, poor standards, etc etc.

Apparently OpenRC is a really good alternative, but it comes at the catch that a lot of stuff is built to call systemd a dependency and will claim it can't work without it. *Sigh* Hopefully all this will result in a general switch away from that hot mess and proper support from everything for, well, anything else...

Show threadbazkie 👩🏼‍💻 bitplanes 🎵1d ago

@nazokiyoubinbou @nixCraft blegh! this type of dependency on something that should be totally independent is a sign of structural failure, i suppose..

i've been a debian fanby for the longest time but maybe it's time to look into other distros. can anyone recommend me which are the most "mainstream"/well-maintained non-systemd distros?

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@bazkie
Maybe one of the BSDs?
@nazokiyoubinbou @nixCraft
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Show threadNazo1d ago
@sab38 @bazkie @nixCraft It looks like it has been confirmed that none of them can use systemd.
Show threadbazkie 👩🏼‍💻 bitplanes 🎵1d ago
@nazokiyoubinbou @sab38 @nixCraft you mean like, license wise? or technically?
Show threadNazo1d ago

@bazkie @sab38 @nixCraft Funny thing is, I don't think anything specifically said exactly that. 😆

It has to be license-wise though. If someone really really wanted I'm sure they could make it work (but then who would want to? Systemd really seems to be universally hated!)

Show threadbazkie 👩🏼‍💻 bitplanes 🎵1d ago

@nazokiyoubinbou @sab38 @nixCraft well a few years back when it was a heated debate I remember it being pretty 50/50!

BUT I bet a lot of people at this point realize the anti systemd people were right and have jumped that sinking ship

Show threadNazo1d ago

@bazkie @sab38 @nixCraft Indeed.

My problem with it is it has forgotten its entire purpose. Systemd is just for handling stuff like init. Why does it even have its own DNS handling and things like that? I mean that's beyond mere bloat and straight up into territory of it trying to do things it shouldn't be doing wholly unrelated to its entire purpose... (Yes, it does DNS handling now. Though a lot of distros may be turning it off by default now. A lot of people using dnsmasq/pihole/etc have found out the hard way as they tried to figure out why the port was already bound before the service could start.)

Systemd should not even be aware what users there are, much less their age. That is not within its scope.

Show threadbazkie 👩🏼‍💻 bitplanes 🎵1d ago
@nazokiyoubinbou @sab38 @nixCraft hear hear!! keep things simple, for every task there should be some utility. I don't like massive monoliths that do everything.