Assuming that TGV speed records continue to increase linearly, they'll achieve Mach 1 in 2092.

#tgvtuesday

@tryst I remember being glued to the radio listening to the news of the record attempts in 1990 🙂
@tryst But will they be able to maintain that speed through nine feet of manure?

@tryst OFC the problem would be to have sufficient lenght test track to safely accelerate and decellerate.

Also ground-level supersonic would be lethal as the sonic boom would create a 165dB shockwave for 1km and 130dB for 2,5km, so not possible.

As of now JR reached >500km on MAGLEV and had two trains pass each other at that speed each...

@tryst pretty shure the problem isn't getting there faster, but that #SNCF runs out of testing track lenght.

  • In fact the only reason #JR's #Maglev's only did 2x 500+ km/h facing each other was the lack of rail lenght to go faster and still safely accelerate and decelerate...

586 km/h is propably the fastest on conventional rail due to the exponentially higher demands for accuracy and smoothness of the tracks and if this was a feasible average speed, basically any point in mainland France would be reachable from Paris in less than 2 hours.

@kkarhan @tryst That and all issues related to kinetic energy (½mv²): track protection (an errant deer becomes a larger problem), signalling, braking distance increases quadratically, so safety blocks need to be longer, which also means the amount of trains you can run goes down…

@thias @tryst I mean, there's a reason the fastest regular services with dedicaded tracks run ar 320+ km/h top:

It's just neither economical nor feasible to go faster beyond "clout"...

  • Above 50km/h tracks curves need banking.

  • Above 100km/h level rail crossing are a no-go.

  • Above 125km/h concrete bars instead if wood pillars are needed to keep the rails parallell.

  • Above 130km/h a train is not permitted to pass through a station next to a platform, but needs at least a track if distance (or a wall) to seperate bystanders from it.

  • Above 150km/h any mixed use won't work due to slower trains causing traffic jams

  • Above 200km/h the tracks need to be on concrete beds since air turbulence could lift up smaller rocks and turn them lethal for bystandard.

  • Above 250km/h fencing & wildlife overpasses are necessary to enshure neither deers nor boars get turned into lethal hazards or at least turned into a red smear along several kilometers of track when they face the gront-end.

  • Above 300km/h Wind noise becomes such a big problem that mandatory distances to homes are needed even with walls to reduce the noise.

  • Above 350km/h most electrical rail systems can"t supply trains with the necessary power from non-steered pantographs on regular overhead lines and require higher voltages beyond the 15-25kV used in most systems.

  • Above 400km/h tolerances for tracks and overhead lines make them costly beyond economical.

@kkarhan @tryst I generally agree, but some notes:
* Concrete sleepers are the norm in newer European lines, regardless of speed.
* The Gotthard Base Tunnel is mixed use but train can run up to 230 km/h.

@thias @tryst Granted, Gotthard Base Tunnel was designed with that in mind including specifically having yards and switching infrastructure at both ends whilst also optimizing use by basically auctioning off capacity to the highest bidder, thus incentivizing constant peak efficiency load.

  • It's mixed-used setup is more of a necessity than anything else and like the #Eurotunnel...
@kkarhan @thias I was just making a silly joke by making a linear prediction of TGV speeds

@tryst @thias welcome to #Fedi where people start randomly infodumping each other based off a #shitpost... ^

  • Sorry...