Ambraven 
Ok a second episode since I don't work this afternoon.
I might have to watch a third one.
That has to be one of the most brutal Worf-Effect in the history of tv shows...
Shekov's Da Vinci ?
Fifteen borg vessels... talk about overkill !
A single ship should be more than enough to manage Voyager, given what that one borg cube did at Wolf 359.
Let's be generous and say they really want to make sure Voyager don't try to flee... I think even 3 borg cube would be overkill.
Fifteen!! That's just ludicrous.
Yeah ok... that makes more sense. They are not here for Voyager and they don't have time for it at the moment. They still took the time for a scan.
The number of borg cube is still indicative tough. Whatever the Borgs are busy with... Voyager don't want to get involved. (They still will but, they don't want to.)
Kathryn making an impression of Picard is very funny. Even more so that she doesn't do it on purpose.
"Today I can't imagine a day without you."
Really feeding those Kathryn/Chakotay shippers, aren't they?
"Someone more powerful than the Borg. It's difficult to imagine."
Really? I mean you know Q personally.
The interior of the derelict borg cube as a very "haunted house" vibe.
It's effective though.
The idea of a teleporter skeleton lock is not pleasing.
I'm not going to elaborate further.
The alien design is... interesting. I don't like that it is naked though. It feels "dehumanizing" for lake of a better word.
The 3D is old, but not the worst. Did this show got a remaster ?
Way to put Picard's "the borg are pure evil" in perspective.
The borg at least want to assimilate you and doesn't even understand it's a bad thing.
Those alien want to genocide you.
Like both are bad, but yeah... The borg have nothing on those aliens in term of evil.
But in a sens it feels like a response from the writer of Voyagers to the writers of TNG, and it feels like they are saying "Ok Borg are bad but I'll show you true evil!"
And I'm not sure this is a good way to look at the borg.
Still, the borg will stay a big antagonist for Voyager through the rest of the show, so it's probably fine.
I love that even in the worst situation the EMH find ways to be visibly pleased with himself, without him actually being oblivious to the gravity of the situation.
Imagine Voyager don't get here when it did.
The Borgs are destroyed, then those aliens continue to destroy everything in the galaxy, and the federation is absolutely not prepared to face this threat. Neither is the Dominion.
I'll bet Voyager will close the door to the invasion, which means ts couldn't be done if Voyager wasn't around at the right time.
Which is kinda ludicrous of a coincidence.
(which also means that in Across the Unknown, if you get home early, the galaxy is doomed...)
I don't like when galaxy ending threat can be dealt with only because of an incredible coincidence. It makes the world of the fiction so fragile...
Chekov's Da Vinci fired.
I don't know about that Janeway...
What if they find a way to assimilate the evil aliens?
I'm not objecting to a trade with the borg here but what you're proposing seems like it could back fire spectacularly.
Oh no not the scorpion allegory...
It a stupid story.
Of course here the Borg will sting given an occasion, but not if they are destroyed in the process.
The idea that it would be better for the Borg to assimilate the unnamed aliens would be good for the delta quadrant though... I don't know Kathryn. They'll probably use them against the quadrant. Best case scenario they decide they don't want those evil aliens as part of the collective because they are to aggressive, but I wouldn't bet on that.
Ah, the drama!!
I knew I would have to watch one more episode.
I believe this deal with the Borg is one of the most controversial decision Kathryn takes along the journey of the Voyager.
Watching another episode I said the show take the side of Kathryn most of the time. This could be one time she is called out on her radical willingness to protect her crew and get it home. But depending on how this plays out, I think Kathryn will be vindicated.
Even if there is a bit of "see, you nearly got too far here", she'll probably get the best outcome possible in her situation.
Ah! At last we meet, Seven of Nine.
Take a day or two of vacation Harry, you workaholic.
I think the episode make a good job depicting the borg being forceful, not because they actively try to be dicks, but because they are just not used to working with others despite them being a collective.
They won't sting because it's there nature to sting, but they might pinch you because they don't know what to make of their mandibules.
If I had a nickel each time Kathryn had brain injuries, I would have two nickels. Which is not a lot but it's weird that it happen twice.
Also this should be somewhat emotional for the doctor, since he lost her daughter under similar condition.
Borg talking to each other is weird. They are a collective and always connected.
I guess this is a way for the public to understand what is happening, but still it feels wrong.
Kathryn isn't pleased.
"We just have to stop fighting each others"
*throw Chakotay into the brig*
XD
7 of 9 pacing on the bridge is weird. She is borg after all.
I didn't expect Chakotay using his previous borg link. That's a nice use of established lore.
Ok so... I liked those two episodes. I think they work well, despite a few little things, like the reason for the title of the story.
The tension is always there. The conflict between Chakotay and Kathryn works well. And 7 of 9 is a fascination character, though I think they tried to humanize her a bit too early.
The characterization of the borgs works well, except a few weird choice that humanize them a little bit, which is probably the start of future problem in their characterization, but here it's still good.
And the borgs are still a huge threat to Voyager.
Good show.
Cap'n Briney 📚🏞️🌌@Ambraven I think negotiations with the Borg are the natural route for Star Trek to take. To show that, even the Giger Space Zombies can be reasoned with, fits well with the common themes. But I think, unfortunately, they do get pretty Worfed
@Mr_Briney Well in this case the borg are really the lesser of two evil. And the only bargaining ship Voyager have is the fact the Borg are losing. The other species offer no such opening for negotiation, so "Even the space zombie can be reasoned with" is kinda shaky from the start.
The more important part of this is that they tried. They tried to offer a peaceful resolution to the alien specie for outer there. They had to establish dominance unfortunately.
I mean, I would like to see a conflict resolved at the last offer of peace, and the opposing party was like... "You know, maybe you have a point."
Because after some time you can't help but wonder if those last effort at peace negotiation are worth it.
@Ambraven damn, I wish that had come up. I would have loved to see the Doctor deal with the trauma of not being able to save his daughter. That episode was already really heavy though, I can see not wanting to come back to it lol